As this doesn't happen very often, I feel compelled to say that I agree with you completely.

(I will add that I actually think racism is declining in the U.S. and has been for many years. Unfortunately, it had a long way to decline and hasn't finished doing so yet.)

lets discuss the topic please. thx..

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

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Ha...you'd be surprised.

That's the hunch I get, too. And, you're right; it's not finished declining.

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yes there were occasions and his mentors/minders and honest brokers did it for him. lets not be naive.



you are again advocating popping the balloon as if character etc. does not belong in the public forum. I disagree, McCain’s character or lack of it, or Obamas are clearly of interest and should be examined.

To say different is to change the rules mid stream because a) he cannot stand for a close examine or , b) you feel an investigations of McCain’s will not render any points on which to make hay, c) you really feel character is not or should not be a question. And to that I say we must agree to disagree.

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)

[quote=MattLarson;1216505]Don't sidestep!

Discuss the topic!

Please, sir.

Why do you think Obama campaign encounter such vandalism?

Because racism is still alive in America?

It had been on the decline but Barack's candidacy and success have somehow reinvigorated it.

It was media's duty to find ways to quell it. But they failed; especially the right-wing media and internet have worsened the situation.

Racism should have never seen as a winning card by the right-wing circles...

That is entirely true.

Unfortunately, this sort of thing happens in most every campaign, with petty vandalism, etc. directed at democrat and republican candidates alike.

I'm not convinced that there is any more directed at Obama than other candidates in our history.

Normally, you would be right about the straw man. However, in this case, Sheriff has actually done exactly what I stated in the past. He posted a fake item on a McCain campaign blog, then came here and posted a thread about this terrible white-supremacist endorsement of McCain, without revealing that he himself had written it.

So it's not so much a straw man as a suggestion that coming from this particular source, the indignation is a bit strained.

Matt

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No sidestepping here, Sheriff - when it comes to your claims, credibility is a completely valid concern given your shamefull history of presenting fabrications as sources.

Or, because stupidity is still alive in America. There have been instances of racism / ageism / sexism against all the candidates in this race.

You, yourself, have posted very offensive comments about McCain's age, for example.

We've seen vandalism and the like directed at various candidates during this and past elections.

Im not convinced that the idiocy being directed at Obama is worse than that directed at other candidates.

Matt

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First, you have already made your announcement about me ten or twenty times in two days; is not that enough for your revenge?

Second, Racism has recently transformed into a type of vandalism that is more than just making fun of someone's age or gender.

America have never had the problem of ageism but people were crucified and burned because of their skin color.

More attention should be given to racism.

When people like you admit that Obama racist pastor has had a neg effect on Obama by preaching hate of white people and for this country to him for 20 years, plus Obama admitting that he distrusts white people, then maybe some of us will agree that there is still racism in this country. Of all people that should know its me.

Maybe you should take a better look at you man if you want more attention shown to racism. Its seems Obama has surrounded himself with people that hate this country or hate the majority of people living in this country.

And Edwards and Richardson are two of them? Or the unions that endorse Obama?

You draw a grim picture of Obama that's surrounded by fanatics, which is wrong.

I would also appreciate it if someone steps away from the shadow and make themselves heard. What do you really want? To kill people's mind? Would it be better if Rev. Wright kept staying in shadow?

I would rather McCain bring evangelist radicals from the shadows where they preach hatred towards minorities, Jews, Muslims, gays etc into the daylight where the whole nation could see them, understand them and find a solution...

Ignoring Rev. Wright will not solve the problem if you think it is a problem. Listening to him will solve the problem. At least, this way, we can find a middle ground to discuss the problems.

Hating Rev. Wright will only worsen the situation; hating him will not kill his believes or assumptions...

Well, if you generalize what was said to encompass all acts of vandalism and rudeness directed against campaigns, you may or may not be right -- we have no hard data to allow certainty -- but if you stick specifically to what was alleged, you are certainly wrong. I am quite certain that nobody has made a death threat against Hillary Clinton or John McCain that included calling either one of them a "Nigger."

In a similar vein, I might accept that explanation except that I have seen similar reactions on other threads that had nothing to do with Sheriff. When it has been argued that racism still exists in this country, that the problems in the black community derive primarily from the history of slavery and segregation, or that race relations in America remain a problem, many posters become very defensive about it and seem unable to come to grips with the arguments themselves; instead, they seem to go out of their way to assert that they, themselves, are not to blame or not responsible for anything, and this leads them to assert that it is all the fault of black people themselves, or similar things. When, in fact, nobody had suggested that any poster here (except those of openly racist views, of course) was to blame for anything.

Americans seem to have a guilty conscience about race. This seems particularly true of politically conservative Americans, even though political conservatism no longer includes racism as a tenet, and even though I have no evidence that these people themselves are racist.

Why do you suppose that is?