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Old 05-21-2008
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It begins: Signs of a Blowout

I've been saying for some time that this election would be a realigning election, a blowout, not close like that last few but an overwhelming victory for Barack Obama. I said this at a time when he and McCain were tied, or McCain slightly ahead, in national polls. I said it expecting that as Obama became the presumptive nominee, and especially after he secured officially the Democratic nomination, he would pull clearly into the lead.

He's still not secured the official nomination, but the perception that he's going to get it has become a common one. And we can see the results already:

Obama leads McCain in November match | World | Reuters

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrat Barack Obama has opened an 8-point national lead on Republican John McCain as the U.S. presidential rivals turn their focus to a general election race, according to a Reuters/Zogby poll released on Wednesday.

Obama, who was tied with McCain in a hypothetical head-to-head match up last month, moved to a 48 percent to 40 percent lead over the Arizona senator in May as he took command of his gruelling Democratic presidential duel with rival Hillary Clinton.
The reason we're seeing this, I believe, is because this is an issue-driven campaign, unlike the previous two. People are concerned about, and the candidates take strongly different positions on, the economy, trade, the environment, and the war in Iraq. Character attacks such as have been mounted on Obama over the past few months simply don't carry the weight that those issues do. The country is in trouble, the widespread perception is that we're heading in the wrong direction, and people want someone to take a different approach. Obama, unlike any Democrat in recent history, promises, with specifics, to do that.

That Bush is an unpopular president of course makes things harder still for McCain, but that, too, is part of the general perception of national problems needing fixing. If people didn't see the country as in trouble, the president wouldn't be so unpopular.

And remember, although it's clear Obama is almost certainly going to be the nominee, he hasn't officially sewn it up yet, and certainly neither party has held its convention. I predict that lead will widen over the coming months.
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Old 05-21-2008
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Re: It begins: Signs of a Blowout

Aye to that. It will be refreshing to praise America for a change.
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Re: It begins: Signs of a Blowout

Looks as though the tree of Liberty may need to be watered again.
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Re: It begins: Signs of a Blowout

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Aye to that. It will be refreshing to praise America for a change.
So you'll only praise the US if it votes as you want it to?
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Re: It begins: Signs of a Blowout

CNN.com - Kerry leads Bush in new poll - Mar 9, 2004

These sorts of polls don't really mean much..
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Looks as though the tree of Liberty may need to be watered again.
With whose blood?
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With whose blood?
That of patriots and tyrants.
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That of patriots and tyrants.
Any chance you could be more specific?
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CNN.com - Kerry leads Bush in new poll - Mar 9, 2004

These sorts of polls don't really mean much..
They mean more the closer we come to the election. I see this one as meaning that Obama is now pretty clearly going to be the nominee, and so people are thinking clearly in terms of him versus McCain.

We'll see what happens after the conventions. My prediction is that Obama will be further ahead than this 8 point lead two weeks after both conventions have been held. I'll hold myself to that and publicly revise my opinion if it turns out I'm wrong.
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Any chance you could be more specific?
For too long this country has strayed from the path our founders set out. It looks as though Obama, if elected, will try to take us even further from that path. Time will tell of course. For all we know, Obama might finally grow-up if elected, and get a heathly dose of reality.

Still, my rifle and gear will be ready just in case.
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For too long this country has strayed from the path our founders set out. It looks as though Obama, if elected, will try to take us even further from that path. Time will tell of course. For all we know, Obama might finally grow-up if elected, and get a heathly dose of reality.

Still, my rifle and gear will be ready just in case.
Reacting to elections one doesn't like by advocating violent overthrow of the party in power doesn't sound much like "watering the tree of liberty". That sounds like something that would happen in Nicaragua.
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CNN.com - Kerry leads Bush in new poll - Mar 9, 2004

These sorts of polls don't really mean much..
I'm with you on this. I don't really put any stock in polls at the moment. I'd imagine that they may have a bit more predictive power once Hillary ends her campaign for 2012 and the nominees are set in stone.
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For too long this country has strayed from the path our founders set out. It looks as though Obama, if elected, will try to take us even further from that path. Time will tell of course. For all we know, Obama might finally grow-up if elected, and get a heathly dose of reality.

Still, my rifle and gear will be ready just in case.
And what path might that be?
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Aye to that. It will be refreshing to praise America for a change.
Somehow, I doubt you'll be praising America for electing a new President who has the same Israel policies as the current administration (and both other presidential contenders).

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Reacting to elections one doesn't like by advocating violent overthrow of the party in power doesn't sound much like "watering the tree of liberty". That sounds like something that would happen in Nicaragua.
Which is why I am taking a wait-and-see stance. His election will not be the spark, but his actions and those of congress.
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