LOL right.

Why not walk? Public transport burns fossil fuels. Don't you guys say burning fossil fuels cause green house gases? Do you know how much a bus puts in the atmosphere compared to a car?

If you really cared you would ride a bike or walk.

Right now, we're getting the majority of our oil from Canada & Mexico. At least friendly countries. Canada has a resource in their sand pits of Alberta, that compare to that of all Saudi Arabia. At $2.00 per gallon it is not feasible for them to extract from the sand. Since prices of gone up however, Alberta has been delivering.

I don't think anyone can argue, that for our well-being & security we have to get away from foreign sources of oil. We also do need cleaner, more efficient, renewable green energy. New technologies. It's coming, & I believe will be the new economy in the United States. The technology is unbelievable, if you're a science channel geek, like I am.

The Prius just made it's 1 millionth sale. It's largest customer, was the United States with over 500k cars sold to Americans. So our energy crisis has finally gotten our attention. When gas prices are low, everyone just settles in & ignores it. When they're high, the normal Joe on the street blames the White House & the administration. Right now, Europeans are paying $9.00 per gallon, & Canadians are paying $5. The high prices may be a conspiracy to get us to move to greener energy.

While we're headed to green energy, we still, will always have need for some oil. To become absolutely energy independant, we will have to drill in the United States.

Gees you're good. First you attempt to be a smart arse and criticise me for driving a car. When you discover that I don't drive, you then change your tune and try to criticise me for using public transport.

Yes a bus emits more emissions than a car, but take a guess as to how many people fit on a bus, train, tram or ferry as compared to a car. Now think about if all the people who caught public transport decided to all drive instead.

Mexico is paying 2.37 as of today.

Recent Prices

Well I still dont believe you not having a car.

As for public transport, full or not they still run their routes. So from the hours of 7pm to 6am, 11 hours the bus is still running the same route for the most part empty. At least in major US cities. MARTA runs non stop 24/7. After work hours you are lucky if there are 2 people on the bus. So what it helps during the day it makes up for running at night.

And if you cared as much as you claimed about the environment, why don't you walk or ride a bike?

I think it depends on where you live. I have friends that live in San Francisco. They own no car. Their work is close, food & other items needed are within walking distance. If they go anywhere they call a cab or take a bus.

Personally, I am not worried about the price of oil as much as our security as a nation. Increasing our energy independence is the only prudent course. By tapping our own resources we will stop the wholesale transfer of US wealth to the Saudi's, Chavez, etc...Ultimately that will increase our national security.

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What "as of today"? I see November 3,2007 and October 28,2007. No where near today.

U.S Gas Prices - November 26,2007 Relatively close to November 6.

We here on the East were paying ~$3.09, Mexico ~ $2.37

That is ~.70 cent difference. Not that great, compared to if they were paying 2.37 today.

I really don't care whether you believe me or not. There's no way I can prove that to you unless I invite you to my house .... and there's no chance on this Earth of that. I walk to the shops, etc. I can do that as I live and work inner-city. I could walk to work, but I choose to take the train as it's more convenient. I still find it amusing that you are choosing to criticise me for taking public transport, yet you are the one complaining about oil prices and how it affects you. Why don't YOU get rid of the car and follow your own advice? I suppose if you did that though you'd have nothing to whine about; and we just couldn't risk having that now could we.

I agree, it's the dems. why do the dems continue to appease those who are making 14 billion qtr profits. Why do they appease those who lie to the American people and wage war for oil, and appease those who accuse everyone else of appeasing themselves, and appease those who.... oh. wait.... those are not the dems. NM

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Where have I whined about fuel costs? Another falsehood because I have never said the cost of fuel is killing me. I have however said I would be raising my prices to help off set my higher overhead. That my friend is not bitching just good business.

Get rid of my 2 cars, F250 pickup and 4 route trucks in the name of the environment? Surely you jest. Why would I want to get rid of my transportation? I am not the one whining about the environment. See I am smart enough to realize that the GW'ers are scamming you followers. I am a leader not someone that has a ring through my nose being lead around.

And don't worry, I would never want to come to your place to begin with. I have better things to do with my life than worry about someone as meaningless as you.

As usual when this subject arises, we have massive ignorance on display of peak oil and how it works. Let me see if I can explain it.

1) What matters is not how much oil there is. What matters is how quickly, easily, and cheaply the oil can be pumped.

2) In any deposit of oil, on the average, the first 50% of it can be pumped quickly, easily, and cheaply. Once that 50% is extracted, the remaining oil can't be pumped as quickly, nor as cheaply, and the production declines over time.

3) What's true for a single deposit is also true for a region, e.g. the United States. Once half the U.S. oil was removed (this happened in 1970), our oil production as a nation went into decline. That is why before 1970 the U.S. was a net oil exporter, while today we are a net oil importer and the percentage of our oil which is imported increases year by year.

This is irreversible. It will always be true. We cannot increase production. Let's say we open a currently sequestered source such ANWR. It takes X number of years before that oil becomes available, for sake of discussion let's say 5 years. If we do open ANWR to drilling this year, then in 2013 our production of oil will be higher than it would be in 2013 if we don't, but it will still be lower than it is in 2008, because the increase will be more than offset by declines in other domestic oil fields. Opening the sequestered sources will slow down the decline somewhat, but it will not turn it into an actual increase.

We import oil because we are past the oil peak. Compared to that, sequestered oil sources are chump change. Whether we open them or not, the problem will remain, and it will only be marginally and trivially improved if we do open them.

The only way we can become independent of foreign oil, is by becoming independent of oil. Our efforts need to be in that direction, not towards increased drilling.

All of the above is true except we have discovered new oil supplies since the 70's. The only way what you say can be true is if we totally ignore the new finds. We've got other countries drilling and pumping from our oil reserves as we speak but we can't touch it ourselves. Try explaining that one.

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"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste...." - Rahm Emmanuel

It's true even with the new finds.

If it's sequestered for environmental reasons, what you say is not true. If an oil field is open for drilling, it's open to foreign as well as domestic oil companies. If a foreign oil company is pumping U.S. oil reserves, it is not true that our own oil companies "can't touch it," except for reasons of private property.

is that more of your I am an upset republican balance?


Q; can you name one issue where in the republicans in the last 7 years have done anything good, well etc.?

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Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
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