Are you saying you have to be stupid to be a Republican? I think most Republicans are aware that our current situation is not due the failed policies of the Democrats.

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Or by Executive Order.....ala Pres. Clinton. Remember the land grab the last month of his administration? For environmental reasons.

But try telling the folks in this country that will be paying $10 - 15 dollars a gallon by next year that other countries can have our oil...but we can't.

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"We can't screw it up any worse than they have." - Barack Obama

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"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste...." - Rahm Emmanuel

You say potato.....

If most Republicans are "aware" of that, why are they seemingly blaming all of the ills of the world on the Dems? The GOP had 14 years of Congressional control and led the US to its current situation. The Dems have had control for just over one year...

Of course, but where are you getting the idea that foreign oil companies can drill for oil on the land he made into national parks and wilderness?

Then you haven't a clue how Congress works.

Congressional manuvers by the Dems has us in this situation. I guess you forgot all the fillibusters and refusals by the Dems to allow a vote on the Energy bill or anything to do with drilling in Anwar. The Repugs threatened to change the rules just to get bills out of committee but never got that far.

Some of us have been paying attention......unlike you.

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"We can't screw it up any worse than they have." - Barack Obama

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"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste...." - Rahm Emmanuel

Oh and I suppose that a Republican initiated war in the Mid-east; emerging super-economies of China and India and the associuated demand (if you know anything about basic economics you'd know about supply-demand in relation to price) have NOTHING to do war oil prices? Drilling in the Artic might provide some VERY short term relief, but in about 2-3 years we'd be back to where we are now - except there'd be no "arctic relief backup".

How do I know this? I can use Australia as an example. The price of diesel fuel here is now around $1.70 per litre. Diesel is actually a LOT cheaper than standard fuel and if the price of fuel is say $1.00 a litre, then diesel should be around $0.70. The fact that it is dearer means that there is strong internatinal demand for it. What's even worse (and this is an issue here in Oz) is that all of our diesel is actually sourced from our own fields here, and is then refined domestically. In other words, we don't import one single element associated with diesel fuel, yet we are stuck in relation to the international market.

In other words, drilling in the Arctic will have little-to-no benefit for the US (short term possibly; long term nil), and the only reason it is being talked about is because it's an election year, and voters with little or no knowledge about how the international demand and price setting for oil and fuel works will think that it's a solution; hence it will be a positive vote collector for a politician who suggests it; irrespective of whether it actually works or not.

Oh I have been paying a lot of attention. I wrote a response to your original post, but then noticed that you saw fit to go back afterward and add this snippy little b*tch slap to your original comment. Aren't you capable of having a civilized discussion where we might disagree without getting personal and insulting?

Most Republicans aren't - just the fat and/or stupid ones.

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With increased demand coming from India, and China, there isn't enough oil in North America to offset that increase in demand to make a dent in the price of oil. Oil rich nations in the middle east are making so much money, they don't know what to do with it, and they aren't bending over backwards to increase production either. Unless we were to reduce our oil imports to something like 30%, either with domestic supplies, increased efficientcy, or conservation, there isn't much anyone in America can do about the price of gasoline. I'm suprised that the six fold increase in the price of oil hasn't tricled down to other goods which use petrolium products: plasitcs and makeup.

The global thirst for oil, and the failure to keep up with increased demand is hardly the fault of Congress, we're not a global oil producing powerhouse, and could never hope to be. And there is no assurance that any increase domestic production wouldn't be sold on the global market to China or India.

I see this as a problem that won't go away, without a major shift away from an oil based economy.

We should be moving quickly to replace oil in every facet of our economy, with hemp, hydrogen, and other domestic renewable sources. We should invest more in mass transit systems which use electricity generated from renewable sources, like solar, wind, hydro, and hydrogen. And we, need to use mass transit more, and drive our cars less (I stopped driving my car almost a year ago.)

Our oil companies should be encouraged to change their focus from oil to renewable, sustainable, and efficient forms of energy production which can be produced domestically (no, not ethanol.)

The only way to get ahead of the oil crisis, is to get out of oil consumption, not look for quick short term fixes that will put us further behind in the quest to eliminate our dependence on foreign oil.

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Big Number of 2008
8,217,246
Obama's Margin of Victory

"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."

-Thomas Jefferson

Shhhhhh... hindsight is 20/20.

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Big Number of 2008
8,217,246
Obama's Margin of Victory

"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."

-Thomas Jefferson

The same argument.


We aren't talking about just the Artic preserve anymore.

We're talking about deposits off the coast of Virginia, California, and the Gulf and now they've found deposits in North Dakota.

Democrats are putting us in the bind we're in because they would rather make their special interest groups happy then make sure the rest of us can get cheap gas.

Many of them have said that the days of cheap gas are over with.....no thanks to them.

Other countries can see that the Dems aren't responsible nor accountable to the American people....so they've decided to put the squeeze to us. We are dependent on others for our oil and 30% of our refining is done outside the US. They want this country to be clean but they don't seem to care if we pollute everyone elses country.

We're in this bind because tree-huggers think that humans are a decease that infests this planet and it needs to be eradicated.

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"We can't screw it up any worse than they have." - Barack Obama

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"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste...." - Rahm Emmanuel

It's pretty plain to see that you can't.

I didn't read your response till this morning......5/24/08....so the lack of civility is yours alone.

I'm amazed they let you be a moderator......if your feelings could be hurt so easily.

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"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste...." - Rahm Emmanuel

Your post #35 of this thread, ended with the line:

You posted the first part of your post, to which I responded. I then noticed that in the time it took me to write my response you had gone back and edited your post to add the above line. In other words you felt the need to go back to a post you had already written and add an insulting comment. Don't lecture me about your ability to engage in civilised discussion. I've seen your style on this Forum for long enough to know better.

Oh, and just to add, my "feelings weren't hurt" as you put it; I was merely pointing out that you felt the need to drop the discussion into a school yard insult fest ... but that seems to be fairly common with your posts of late.

I'll take that as a no, there is nothing bush or the republicans have done in 7 years that is postive. I rest my case.

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So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


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Here are just a few that I can think of off the top of my head:

- His promotion of The No Child Left Behind Act, though very flawed, established a bi-partisan effort to address problems in the public school system
- Almost immediate removal of the oppressive Taliban regime in Afghanistan.
- No attack has occurred on the United States since 9/11. Though whether this can be attributed to the Bush Administration or not is debatable, it is still a fact.
- If you're a conservative, I imagine you'd be quite satisfied with his two Supreme Court appointments.
- President's Emergency Program for AIDS Relief in Africa

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