There ya go. His own website.

That doesn't follow. The "slip" in replacing Buchenwald with Auschwitz cannot have been a slip of the tongue, because the names are too dissimilar; it must instead have been a mistake of the mind, a casual, not-well-examined belief that Auschwitz was the camp his great-uncle liberated. Poor history, not poor diction, but still not a deliberate falsehood.

heh, why didn't I think to check there?

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Hold it. Did you actually read what your quoting, because your conclusion does not match.

Auschwitz was certainly mentioned, but it was in regard to stories of other soldiers of experiences that his grandfather heard........ it is not a claim that his grandfather was the one who was there participating.

The words can be parsed to infinite granularity, but that's what they say.

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How could American troops speak of their experiences at Auschwitz when they were never there? Please explain that one! Obama clearly believes that U.S. troops were at Auschwitz...

BoyScout, where would he have heard these stories? How could he have heard them? US troops did not liberate either of those camps.

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Courage, Truth, Honor, Fidelity, Discipline, Hospitality, Industriousness, Self-Reliance, Perseverance

All he seems to be saying is that his grandfather heard stories of fellow troops (could mean fellow American troops, could mean fellow Allied troops) who entered Auschwitz and Treblinka.

You're right, not much hope and change there. Interestingly, this speech was made about 5 years before he began running for president.

The charge here seems to be that any time Obama mentions anything having to do with WWII, he must explain each word of his quote to make sure that it coincides with exactly what people want it to mean.

Auschwitz? Buchenwald? Green Jacket? Gold Jacket? Who gives a shit?

McCain's Sunni/Shia/Iran/Al Qaeda slip-up was an unintentional mistake that has no baring, whatsoever, on his ability to lead the country. Neither should Obama's.

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wow, thats interesting. 2002 huh? He’s just all full of piss and vinegar ala calling Rove a “political hack” and other nastiness...what happened to non divisiveness? Opps I know, he didn’t have the speech at the convention behind him where in the groundswell started. Interesting link..thx.

this is interesting too-

Now let me be clear – I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity.

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“and that we vigorously enforce a non-proliferation treaty”

Or-

is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats”

hummmm

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I highly doubt that rank and file Soviet and American troops exchanged stories when they were in different geographical locations; the Americans were no where near Auschwitz hence how would they get the stories from Soviet troops.

Just keep this in mind the next time Hillary tells a tall Bosnia fairy tale.

I suppose it's possible that the Allied forces could all be considered "fellow soldiers". They were all on the same side, right?

Certainly allied radio and word of mouth propogated through all the allied forces. It think it would be more incredible if Obama's grandfather had NOT heard of the liberation of Auschwitz.

Besides, how can it be proven or disproven what his now dead grandfather had heard in his lifetime? There are more holes in the condemnation of his remarks than there are in the remarks themselves.

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Maybe the Soviet troops had cell phones and made collect calls to the Americans on their Sprint calling cards?

ehhh, possible. However, given the climate of the time, extremely unlikely.

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Look, lets be real here, how many American troops talked to red troops and how could they, you want to draw a line between red army ground troops who have a handle enough on English for an ( was he black btw) American soldier who could speak Russian? That doesn’t square , not in the slightest.

Look, the difference here is, his team did a poor job in parsing his material and correcting his embellishments. It’s a gaffe, he’s skirting the edge here, big time and trying to feel our pain. My message is, stop trying, you cannot feel our pain. HE is trying to add meaning to a story he cannot even keep straight. I don't want it to mean anything, just tell it like it was or give it up.


The point as I always say and wish to make is- hes just another garden variety politician and the more he trys to make the case he is “different” the more it demands air time. But as you see, the msm is not very interested, they are busy telling US what is important than in letting us figure it out, because the poster boy is showing cracks.

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How would they have heard the tales of Auschwitz from isolated Soviet troops who held positions no where near an American unit or position?

So the Soviet troops gave the Americans detailed information by radio from Poland to Berlin of what they found at Auschwitz even though they were still involved in heavy fighting? And magically Obama's grandpappy got wind of these reports?

The story of what the Soviets found at the death camps was on the radio. It was used by the Allies for propaganda purposes. Hearing about it would not have been difficult or unusual.