The Soviets and the Americans were allies in name only under the philosophy that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. I doubt either side would have shared much point of location information with the other especially when both sides were racing to see who could take Berlin first...

If Obama claimed that his grandfather received the information from the Polish underground or some resistance movement that fled into the American zones that would have been somewhat plausible.

Above all; Obama made the mistake twice! He claimed one of his relatives was at Auschwitz while earlier he claimed that his relative heard stories of Auschwitz from fellow troops, Put these two things together and I firmly believe that he thought U.S. troops were at Auschwitz or was trying to convince us of this position knowing it was not true.

I am sure that was indeed the case. I can see it now!

Now if it was heard on the news radio; Obama's grandpappy certainly did not hear about the story from fellow troops now did he?

After the fact. The troops didn't operate in information silos.... there was radio, word of mouth from command, and newspapers.

As I said, it would be harder to believe a claim that Obama's grandfather had not heard about Auschwitz than one that he had.

Yep. Up the chain of command... and out to radio, newspapers, and the troops, and the public. There may have been a delay in the news, but it was public knowledge to some degree even before the war was over.

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After six years have passed and in print on his own webite, he still doesn't have the location nailed down? Sorry, TS, I can't buy it. It looks like the old appeal-to-emotion often used by our (or any) poiliticains. Auschwitz certainly appeals to the emotions.

God forbid I expose the black man you worship and idolise; but this is even worse! He heard stories of his grandfathers "fellow troops" at Auschwitz?

Let's examine the facts:

Now when you add the above two points what conclusion would you draw? I draw the conclusion that Obama believes (and/or tried to convince us) that U.S. troops were at Auschwitz.

I appreciate that Obama is black hence leftist American's must worship him and viciously attack anyone who interferes with said worship but lets look at the situation logically; lets get a vaccine for the fever American democrats are suffering from and get into the real world; the one that does not have Murray Rothstein dictating your morals to you America!

goooddd I love the the re-election season.....

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I love watching Obama-worshipers turn into a ravenous group of black supremacist Cujo's when someone points out a short-coming in their God. Maybe you could answer this:

1) In 2008 Obama places U.S. troops at Auschwitz.

2) In 2002 Obama speaks about his grandfathers "fellow troops" at Auschwitz; his grandfather was an American soldier.

What conclusion would you draw after adding point 1 and 2 together?

That charge may be fair if he was told about his mistake after the Iraq War speech. It is certainly possible that no one told him of this mistake, and he wasn't made aware of it until he brought it up again...five years later. Obviously, this man is unfit to be our leader.

I was once told by my grandmother that I was related to Zachary Taylor. When I would casually tell people that I was told this, I accidentally replaced Zachary Taylor with John Tyler. It seems, according to you, that this mistake would make me a liar. If you would classify me as such, then I wouldn't dispute you. However, it would mean that you and I have both different definitions of "liar," and different opinions regarding the severity of the term. Either way, would you then argue that such a mistake is evidence of my inability to lead this country? I would surely hope not.

This error on Obama's part is nothing more than a slight historical inaccuracy. It wasn't used as an attempt to bolster some kind of military experience. It was used to suggest to people that he has a long familial connection to the United States of America. It's pretty pathetic that he still has to prove this connection to the dullards out there that think he's a Muslim fanatic posing as a Christian (here's an opening for you, Frank - "black racialist church, etc."). Regardless, the purpose of the statement (to prove he has a long familial connection to the U.S.) is still accurate.

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I don't worship any man nor do I demonize any man....

And you've got some the facts, and my assessment of them, wrong.


1) In 2008 he places U.S. troops at Auschwitz.

(a gaffe which Obama has since admitted. And one which I admit was a mistake and an intentional exaggeration for effect at the very least. Perhaps even a shameless ploy directed at the Jewish community in this incident. )


2) In 2002 he speaks about his grandfather hearing stories of "fellow troops" liberating Auschwitz; his grandfather was an American soldier who can be believed to have head of the liberation of Auschwitz from any variety of sources.

(This is perfectly plausible and legitimate. I see nothing wrong with Obama's statement about his grandfather in the Iraq speech of 2002 except that it may have instead been his granduncle....)

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As I have pointed out when it comes to the American God of Obama; any criticism of the man results in his worshipers going on the attack even if the criticism is reasonable.

1) In 2008 Obama places U.S. troops at Auschwitz.

2) In 2002 Obama speaks about his grandfathers "fellow troops" at Auschwitz; his grandfather was an American soldier.

Anyone with an IQ of 80+ or someone who does not suffer from a particular fever striking Americans would see that Obama believes U.S. troops were at Auschwitz and tried to place one of his relatives there as well. It is not a hard point to grasp.

Second, American democrats have proven themselves to be moral frauds. They are amongst the most passionate opponents of "White" racism but openly give a free pass to one of their black candidates who belongs to an openly racialist church that teaches only black men are worthy of allegiance.

I have finally found a group of people more phony and hypocritical than Canadian Liberal/Conservative supporters and that is American democrats who back Obama.

That is my take on it...

You know what would have probably been worse? If he had claimed that French troops were going back to Germany to be trained by the Nazis before being sent back to the battlefields.

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Define “slight”…… j/k anyway, tyler and taylor are very close, you know it I know it. Buchenwald ( actually Ordruff) and Auschwitz as we have said before a world apart.

I am not saying he is a liar, I am saying he winged it, he never had the story straight and just embellished as he went along. Gore did it Hill and god knows the best of all Bill did it Bush did it……it’s a political trade mark. Hell, McCarthy used to tell people he was wounded in ww2…tail-gunner joe, first he never saw combat and second the idiot would limp on the wrong leg half the time….what a dope.

It comes with the territory.

now the other point is, msm hay was made over McCain mixing up shia and suni and then corrected himself. Which, do see as more egregious if we had to ascertain a level of duplicity?

And of course the question then becomes why McCain and not Obama?

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Lets see shall we....

This being a mere "mistake" would be believable had he not placed "fellow troops" of his American soldier grandfather at Auschwitz several years prior. Oh and if he was willing to engage in sheer historical revisionism to suck up to Jewish voters kinda illustrates my point about Jewish power in America doesn't it?

Nobody with an inkling of historical knowledge in 2002 would believe that their American grandfather or their American grandfathers "fellow troops" would have liberated Auschwitz when the history books clearly place the Soviets in Poland during WWII with the Americans nowhere near the area. These excuses are weak and pitiful; the man either lied or is a fool.

I could have believed this to be an innocent mistake had Obama not placed U.S. troops at Auschwitz in his recent speech; one time is a mistake! Twice is no mistake in my view....

Maybe it's just a retelling of how the story was told to him as a child, and he's merely drawing on his childhood memory without correcting it for historical accuracy. Where you there when he was first told the story?

Though I do think he should be called out to publicly recant and correct himself. It's bad enough we've got McCain making all kinds of factually incorrect statements, we certainly don't need Barack confusing people with historical inaccuracies.

Can you imagine the difficulties people must have without questioning what politicians say--that would be a funny movie--if they take everything they say literally, and as complete truth?

"I'm a uniter, not a divider ..."

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I don't defend the recent comment of Obama, exept not to automatically assume that it was his intent to deceive.

On the comment that Obama made in his Iraq War speech in 2002, the transcript itself is benign and credible, no matter how you parse the actual words.... but you, and others are connecting dots that aren't there.

You can broadly attempt to paint Obama supporters in as some kind of mindless cult followers...(many people are doing that and I think it's human nature to be a little bit cynical) but if you're holding me up as an example of that, you can ........

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