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Maybe it's just a retelling of how the story was told to him as a child, and he's merely drawing on his childhood memory without correcting it for historical accuracy. Where you there when he was first told the story?

Though I do think he should be called out to publicly recant and correct himself. It's bad enough we've got McCain making all kinds of factually incorrect statements, we certainly don't need Barack confusing people with historical inaccuracies.


Can you imagine the difficulties people must have without questioning what politicians say--that would be a funny movie--if they take everything they say literally, and as complete truth?

"I'm a uniter, not a divider ..."
fine with me but we both know who gets the coverage when he makes a statement that is mispoaken or not accruate....don't we?
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Re: Obama: My uncle liberated … Auschwitz?

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I don't defend the recent comment of Obama, exept not to automatically assume that it was his intent to deceive.
Why would you assume anything about a politician caught in a misstatement? Is this guy considered such a saint in America that his lies must always be viewed as mistakes?

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On the comment that Obama made in his Iraq War speech in 2002, the transcript itself is benign and credible, no matter how you parse the actual words.... but you, and others are connecting dots that aren't there.
Look at the words logically. He referred to his grandfathers "fellow troops" at Auschwitz while several years later he placed U.S. troops at Auschwitz including one of his relatives. Who did he mean by "fellow troops?" Since his grandfather was an American soldier and he believed that Americans were at Auschwitz or wants us to believe such a thing the logical conclusion is "fellow troops" means American troops.

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You can broadly attempt to paint Obama supporters in as some kind of mindless cult followers...(many people are doing that and I think it's human nature to be a little bit cynical) but if you're holding me up as an example of that, you can go fuck yourself.
I paint them in that manner because that is how they tend to behave in my personal observation. Clown and brainwashed cultist in point...

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Re: Obama: My uncle liberated … Auschwitz?

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That charge may be fair if he was told about his mistake after the Iraq War speech. It is certainly possible that no one told him of this mistake, and he wasn't made aware of it until he brought it up again...five years later. Obviously, this man is unfit to be our leader.

I was once told by my grandmother that I was related to Zachary Taylor. When I would casually tell people that I was told this, I accidentally replaced Zachary Taylor with John Tyler. It seems, according to you, that this mistake would make me a liar. If you would classify me as such, then I wouldn't dispute you. However, it would mean that you and I have both different definitions of "liar," and different opinions regarding the severity of the term. Either way, would you then argue that such a mistake is evidence of my inability to lead this country? I would surely hope not.

This error on Obama's part is nothing more than a slight historical inaccuracy. It wasn't used as an attempt to bolster some kind of military experience. It was used to suggest to people that he has a long familial connection to the United States of America. It's pretty pathetic that he still has to prove this connection to the dullards out there that think he's a Muslim fanatic posing as a Christian (here's an opening for you, Frank - "black racialist church, etc."). Regardless, the purpose of the statement (to prove he has a long familial connection to the U.S.) is still accurate.
Hey, '68, I dare you to find any words from me saying BO is unfit. Dareya.

What I have said and will say, is there is little I see to warrant the worship from BO-mania groupies, or at least anymore than any other politician. He is simply a politician acting like a politician. Nothing to worship, so we can move on to it being a pretty run-of-the-mill election.
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Maybe it's just a retelling of how the story was told to him as a child, and he's merely drawing on his childhood memory without correcting it for historical accuracy. Where you there when he was first told the story?
I was told as a child that Santa Clause brought me Christmas presents and the Easter Bunny brought my candy; I do not believe in those myths today though the jury is out on the tooth fairy.
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fine with me but we both know who gets the coverage when he makes a statement that is mispoaken or not accruate....don't we?
Hillary Clinton?
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Hillary Clinton?
hey its a right wing Konspiracy rigjht?
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In this thread you have engaged in swearing, name-calling and behaved like an angry Klingon who just lost his pet Targ in response to criticism of Obama; but in all fairness you do seem to one of the brighter Obama-supporters.
Thanks for the back-handed compliment. I'm not a trekkie, but I see what your doing with the reference.

I aim to be fair in my critiques. If McCain (who I will not vote for, but do not hold in contempt) made a similar gaffe in speaking about what his relatives have or have not done, I would likely apply the same benefit of the doubt.

A lot of this politically slanted parsing of all the candidates' words and/or fishing for inaccuracies is asinine.
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Re: Obama: My uncle liberated … Auschwitz?

discuss the topic please....
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fine with me but we both know who gets the coverage when he makes a statement that is mispoaken or not accruate....don't we?
Yes, all of them.

All candidates have been publicly called on the carpet for gaffes. The one that's the subject of the OP, has also gotten plenty of MSM coverage.

People can waste their time arguing about how much relative bias there is, but none of the candidates is receiving a free pass.

But that's the way it should be. If anyone is whining that they're candidate is being picked on, the only question should be, "what's the merit of the accusation?"
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Yes, all of them.

All candidates have been publicly called on the carpet for gaffes. The one that's the subject of the OP, has also gotten plenty of MSM coverage.

People can waste their time arguing about how much relative bias there is, but none of the candidates is receiving a free pass.

But that's the way it should be. If anyone is whining that they're candidate is being picked on, the only question should be, "what's the merit of the accusation?"
really? cause I have had cnn on for a while now and have not heard squat.
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Re: Obama: My uncle liberated … Auschwitz?

I will add with respect to the written word (ie. it being on his website): Before anything goes in print (website, pub, etc.) I make sure that my colleagues - all of them - look over what I intend on putting out there as I do for them. When there is some inaccuracy that needs correcting, it gets correcting. Especially when it is so easily verified or debunked. And, I am no public figure.

Even with a transcript, after six years, corrections would be present. That is not showing diligence and attention to detail, IMO. Call me a stickler, but I want my President to pay attention to accuracy.

This election is new in that we are seeing more information out there - in writing (websites with positions on issues) - from the candidates. I think few will argue that we want our politicians to be more accountable. We CAN, in this election, make them more accountable because we have it in writing. That's a good change. If BO is clever and realizes this is a new phenomenon this election, he will say as much - that he plans on being more accountable than the average Polly Politician because the rules are changing for the better and he corrects himself.

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Hey, '68, I dare you to find any words from me saying BO is unfit. Dareya.

What I have said and will say, is there is little I see to warrant the worship from BO-mania groupies, or at least anymore than any other politician. He is simply a politician acting like a politician. Nothing to worship, so we can move on to it being a pretty run-of-the-mill election.
You're right. I apologize. I shouldn't have implied that you were making such an implication.

I agree that many Obama defenders severely overexaggerate his abilities. However, these people aren't as prevalent as I think many people believe. Most of us believe he is just another politician, but we prefer him to the other politicians running for president.
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You're right. I apologize. I shouldn't have implied that you were making such an implication.

I agree that many Obama defenders severely overexaggerate his abilities. However, these people aren't as prevalent as I think many people believe. Most of us believe he is just another politician, but we prefer him to the other politicians running for president.
Cool. That is something I can understand.
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Re: Obama: My uncle liberated … Auschwitz?

The intent of Obama's story wasn't to pump his uncle as a hero - but as a victim who hid up in his attic after returning home due to the trauma he had obviously experienced. Pointing out (from his own family experience) that the need for support for our troops when they return home was needed then as it is desperately needed now.
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Re: Obama: My uncle liberated … Auschwitz?

and there ya go..if it where mccain the neo con expletives would have been overwhelming...
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