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Old 05-28-2008
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Re: Obama: My uncle liberated … Auschwitz?

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excuse me!


It is true that people do not flock to obama because of their love of his positions on issues rather the spirit of bipartisanism that he has.
For that is the only way our government will ever get anything productive done. Obviosely the right and the left are not always right.

Also, intellectual standards? aren't the networks always preaching about how he gets the majority of the people with a higher education.

Also, Frank, you could try answering the question.

Find another place to bash
bipartisanism????? oh my fucking god....he is one of the most liberal senators.

Look at his voting record, straight left if he even took time to show up to vote.

People are running to him because this country is full of dumb asses that want big brother to take care of you because your to damn lazy to do anything for yourself.

You want big brother to educate your children
You want big brother to protect you
you want big brother to set prices
you want big brother to tell you when where and how
you want big brother to ensure you a job
you want big brother to ensure a roof over your head
you want big brother to feed your children
you want big brother to ensure your freedoms

why don't you get off your asses and do it for yourself instead of having someone else do it for you. Be an individual not a piece of dumb meat being told how and what to do with your life.

Obamabots......couldn't be a better way to describe them.
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Re: Obama: My uncle liberated … Auschwitz?

If they're "Obamabots," what are those that regurgitate that week's GOP talking points without even bothering to try to rephrase them, much less understand them?
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Old 05-28-2008
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Re: Obama: My uncle liberated … Auschwitz?

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Also, intellectual standards? aren't the networks always preaching about how he gets the majority of the people with a higher education.
Who says that graduates of American college's are intelligent? I know I have wiped the floor with one Villa Nova University professor in a debate on the Rick Adams Show in 2007 and I recently had to correct a Harvard professor on the law:

Here is a letter I sent to Dr. Norman G. Finkelstein:

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Dr. Finkelstein:

I thought that the following link may interest you; this is from an episode of Glenn Beck's show featuring Alan Dershowitz:

CNN.com - Transcripts

Dershowitz outright slanders "Human Rights Watch" and "Amnesty International;" I was particularly surprised to hear him say that Amnesty International was on the side of terrorists! I specifically remember during the "Democracy Now" debate between Dershowitz and yourself that he claimed to be a contributor to Amnesty International! Hmmm does this mean ole Dersh is involved with a group that supports terrorism? For a Harvard professor he is quite skilled at making himself look like a blithering idiot.

To make matters even worse; the alleged champion of human rights Alan Dershowitz actually advocated the killing of civilians; not only is he a torture apologist but now he advocates passing laws that legalises the murder of civilians whether they are combatants or not! Here some quotes from the above transcripts:

DERSHOWITZ: We have to understand that the people who in Gaza today, as we speak, are cheering for the terrorists who killed these kids, or the people who cheered when 9/11 came and 3,000 people were killed in the United States. These are not civilians. They`re on a continuum closer to being combatants than civilians.

We have to change the law. We have to allow preemptive attacks that target the terrorists, even if they do occasionally kill civilians, particularly civilians who willingly put themselves in harm`s way as human shields. The rules have to change.

DERSHOWITZ: We have to fight Islamic terrorism. We have to take preemptive actions. We have to take some risks. And we have to make the civilians who support the terrorists take some risks. Civilians are not sacrosanct when they solicit help for terrorists.

Ignoring the sheer shocking fact that a Harvard law professor apparently has no idea of what constitutes a "civilian" I cannot help but marvel at how a man can allegedly speak from a perceived position of moral authority as he advocates the outright violation of Article 3 of the 4th Geneva Conventions that demands protection for those not engaging in hostility.

You once referred to Dershowitz as a clown; I believe you let him off far too easily!

Frank


Norman G. Finkelstein: Letters of 2008
A Harvard law professor does not even know the legal definition of a civilian nor did he seem to know that civilians are indeed sacrosanct when they are not participating in hostilities. I would not put too much credibility into an American college "education."
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Re: Obama: My uncle liberated … Auschwitz?

In general though I think you can say that a college educated person is more intelligent than a non college educated person

Also I'm not talking about his voting record I'm saying that he is the most willing to bring the other side into the discussion
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Re: Obama: My uncle liberated … Auschwitz?

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bipartisanism????? oh my fucking god....he is one of the most liberal senators.

Look at his voting record, straight left if he even took time to show up to vote.

People are running to him because this country is full of dumb asses that want big brother to take care of you because your to damn lazy to do anything for yourself.

You want big brother to educate your children
You want big brother to protect you
you want big brother to set prices
you want big brother to tell you when where and how
you want big brother to ensure you a job
you want big brother to ensure a roof over your head
you want big brother to feed your children
you want big brother to ensure your freedoms

why don't you get off your asses and do it for yourself instead of having someone else do it for you. Be an individual not a piece of dumb meat being told how and what to do with your life.

Obamabots......couldn't be a better way to describe them.

What if you just want big brother to tell you to STFU and say "I know whats best for all" I guess that would be a bushbot.
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Re: Obama: My uncle liberated … Auschwitz?

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In general though I think you can say that a college educated person is more intelligent than a non college educated person

Also I'm not talking about his voting record I'm saying that he is the most willing to bring the other side into the discussion
One can say a college educated person is more educated than one who doesn't have one. I don't think you can generalize that to intelligence.
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Re: Obama: My uncle liberated … Auschwitz?

why not?
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One can say a college educated person is more educated than one who doesn't have one. I don't think you can generalize that to intelligence.
Agreed.

Shit, trying to even define "intelligence" is a nearly impossible task, much less how education really relates to it.
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In general though I think you can say that a college educated person is more intelligent than a non college educated person
You would measure intelligence through an intelligence-quotient test. I have met many university graduates who lack basic logical reasoning skills along with the ability to formulate and rationally defend a position.

If anything; I have found that American universities are political indoctrination centres that will pass people who think the right (or left) way regardless of their academic abilities.
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You would measure intelligence through an intelligence-quotient test. I have met many university graduates who lack basic logical reasoning skills along with the ability to formulate and rationally defend a position.
IQ is highly debated as a measure. It still is impossible to define "intelligence," much less measure it reliably and accurately.

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If anything; I have found that American universities are political indoctrination centres that will pass people who think the right (or left) way regardless of their academic abilities.


And how many universities are your "findings" based upon?
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Re: Obama: My uncle liberated … Auschwitz?

Again, generally!!
I don't care if some harvard prof made a fool of himself.
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Re: Obama: My uncle liberated … Auschwitz?

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IQ is highly debated as a measure. It still is impossible to define "intelligence," much less measure it reliably and accurately.
It is debated by some but largely a credible measure of intelligence:

Stalking the Wild Taboo - WSJ Statement on The Bell Curve

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And how many universities are your "findings" based upon?
My view is based on observations of students and professors from those universities; for example when Professor Randy Blazak showed up on Stormfront to debate this is the intellectual wisdom he shared with the forum:

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He behaved like a childish jackass and certainly failed to represent the image of a scholar which seems to be common amongst the American university professors I have debated myself.

I simply see your educational system as inferior, second-rate and lacking in scholarly rigor by observing your professors and students. Maybe this is a generalisation but what am I to conclude when these people make up the majority of what I have observed?
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Re: Obama: My uncle liberated … Auschwitz?

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It is debated by some but largely a credible measure of intelligence:

Stalking the Wild Taboo - WSJ Statement on The Bell Curve
No, it's not. "Intelligence" hasn't even been defined, yet. Yes, there are some people who think that they understand intelligence, and buy into the bullshit that "The Bell Curve" says in order to fulfill their own biases, but no reputable organziation has ever successfully defined what "intelligence" is or how it can be measured.

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My view is based on observations of students and professors from those universities; for example when Professor Randy Blazak showed up on Stormfront to debate this is the intellectual wisdom he shared with the forum:

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He behaved like a childish jackass and certainly failed to represent the image of a scholar which seems to be common amongst the American university professors I have debated myself.

I simply see your educational system as inferior, second-rate and lacking in scholarly rigor by observing your professors and students. Maybe this is a generalisation but what am I to conclude when these people make up the majority of what I have observed?
So, you've based your opinion on what, a dozen people posting on a forum of bigots?

Wow, you're quite the researcher!
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No, it's not. "Intelligence" hasn't even been defined, yet. Yes, there are some people who think that they understand intelligence, and buy into the bullshit that "The Bell Curve" says in order to fulfill their own biases, but no reputable organziation has ever successfully defined what "intelligence" is or how it can be measured.
And of course you decide what is a "reputable" organisation.

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Wow, you're quite the researcher!
This is coming from the guy who researched a Ukrainian university, critiqued the school and failed to get his basic information correct including the name of the school. You are truly in no position to judge the research skills of any other poster on this forum...

By the way are you morally qualified to judge others for bigotry when you defend presidential candidates who happen to be members of black racialist churches? This strikes me as the equivalent of Stalin condemning Saddam for being a dictator...
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And of course you decide what is a "reputable" organisation.
No, I'll let those who actually have committed their lives to the field.



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This is coming from the guy who researched a Ukrainian university, critiqued the school and failed to get his basic information correct including the name of the school. You are truly in no position to judge the research skills of any other poster on this forum...

By the way are you morally qualified to judge others for bigotry when you defend presidential candidates who happen to be members of black racialist churches? This strikes me as the equivalent of Stalin condemning Saddam for being a dictator...
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