And possibly accurate too, which makes a change for you!

It's the time warp...always a problem.

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I am an American. That's the way most of us put it, just matter of factly. They are plain words, those four: you could write them on your thumbnail, or sweep them clear across this bright autumn sky. But remember too, that they are more than just words. They are a way of life. So whenever you speak them, speak them firmly, speak them proudly, speak them gratefully. I am an American. ...a tradition

When Hilary Clinton lost the race the Democrats sealed their fate. Too many Clinton supporters will refuse to vote for Obama. He is too young, to inexperienced, and his speeches only talk about his goals of "change" not his concrete ideas on how to bring about said change. His accusations that Hilary will be a second chance for Bil to run the country are outrageous and unintellegent. Voters remember that America had one of the strongest economies in the world under Bill. So Obama is destined to lose to John McCain who is definatly not the American for the job.

It's just a jump to the left......

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“The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine.”

Senator Thad Cochran, Mississippi (R)
on McCain

“I decided I didn’t want this guy anywhere near a trigger.”
Senator Pete Domenici, New Mexico (R)
on McCain

“My anger did not help my campaign ... People don’t like angry candidates very much.”

McCain on McCain

And then a step to the right....

(OMG, I can't believe I remembered that.)

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I am an American. That's the way most of us put it, just matter of factly. They are plain words, those four: you could write them on your thumbnail, or sweep them clear across this bright autumn sky. But remember too, that they are more than just words. They are a way of life. So whenever you speak them, speak them firmly, speak them proudly, speak them gratefully. I am an American. ...a tradition

It's odd, but the line "... it's the pelvic thrust that really drives you insane" makes me think of this election.

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Election 2008 – Addicted to Placebos

And what does any of that have to do with this thread?

He only wants to end the war, pull out the troops in an orderly fashion, try to get the books in order again, roll back the Bush tax cuts especially on big corporations that send American jobs overseas, invest in alternative methods of energy, talk to all countries and treat them the same instead of pouting and holding grudges. His health care plan is more moderate than Hillary's and something that centrists can agree with.

Yeah.....nothing concrete there.

Clinton was going to do all the same things except she would win an election against John McCain. Obama is simply not an electable candidate and as a result he will lose for the Democratic party. Also those tax cuts you were talking about really helped the economy of this country. If those taxes are reinstated I personally will feel the financial burn. And his health care plan is so closely related to Hilary's that its almost impossible to tell them apart.

You're right about Obama and you right about the taxes, but you have no Earthly idea what the Dems have in store for you this year and next year.

It's like they intentionally want to destroy our economy. Why would a political party be so bent on destroying an economy that they claim is already weak? It doesn't make any sense.......and it's one of the reasons that in the early 90s Democrats became the butt of everybody's joke. Bill Clinton pulled their asses out of the fire after they raised taxes so much that an immediate impact was felt by all. But the taxes they intend on forcing on us now will make those tax increases seem like small change.

But getting back to the point of this thread, I think it's good that people like Sarandon move because all they do in this country is make life miserable for the rest of us. Everyone should live where they're are happy and if you don't like the country you live in......move. That's what I would do.

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"These two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis,"

"The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies,

the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." - Rep. Barney Frank (D)

Rolling back tax-cuts for big corporations will do one thing........send more and more jobs overseas.

Big corporations got big by maximizing their profits. They always look at the bottom line first because they usually have stockholders interested in seeing their investments grow. If it stops growing they sell and buy stocks elsewhere that are growing.

The quickest way to increase profits is cut wages. Wages are usually 30% of their expenses. Rolling back tax-cuts, which is just a tax-increase, will cause them to cut expenses......thus jobs will be sent overseas. The companies that are big enough to afford to send some of their production overseas will do so. The companies that can't afford to will falter and even go out of business. Eventually jobs are lost.

Democrats are concerned about their image as being compassionate. That is why they foster this image of sticking up for the average worker by raising minimum-wage and demonizing big corporations. Really all they're doing is making America unfriendly to big business or business in general. They run businesses out of the country with their high taxes and government regulations and cost all of us job opportunities. Less people working means less people buying goods and services which costs even more job loss. Less and less people earning means less taxes are paid. But the Dems have to make up that loss by putting more burden on those who are working. How long can this go on until the people that do the work and pay the taxes say enough is enough.

You should read Atlas Shrugged.

Truth is the wealthy don't have all of their money in cash. They keep it in their investments. If they have to pay outrageous taxes they end up reducing their investments in this country to reduce the taxes they owe. You can't punish the rich exclusively because their investments are intertwined with the rest of society. The middle-class always ends up taking the biggest hit primarily because they can't afford another increase in their expenses. We're already stretched to the limit now and since the Dems took back Congress our disposable income has shrunk even more.

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"These two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis,"

"The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies,

the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." - Rep. Barney Frank (D)

That is exactly why I am not a democrat. I am an independent because I cant stand the fanatical ideas the parties put into play. On the one side you have the democrats who seem to live in a reality where Americans being unemployed is good. And on the other you have the GOP which sends us to war in Iraq with the worst stategy in history. Frankly we could have won that war if our president hadn't pushed us into it so quickly. Even now with the right strategy we could subdue the population and get out. However the government refuses to take the necessary steps to withdraw our exhausted troops. Too many Americans are on their third or fourth tour of Iraq. This is why Bloomberg should be president. An independent not willing to indulge either sides fanatiscm is exactly what this country needs.

Bloomberg seems more Liberal then anything.

But to get back to your point......Democrats have focus-pointed the hell out of this.

The poor vote heavily Democrat.

The middle-class vote 50/50 down the middle.

The more money they make the higher the Republican vote.


Solution?

Force the middle-class into poverty, scare them about what the future holds for them.....then Democrats promise they will take care of us with Universal Health Care, Social Security, Welfare, Medicare, Medicaid.....

Bring in immigrants earning low wages and instead of earning votes with their excellent policies....they've manufactured them.

Statistically Democrats suffer when everyone is financially secure, happy, and feels secure in their futures.


Two reasons Democrats don't feel the need to solve problems.

1. It takes voters out of their party and puts them under the Republicans umbrella. So fixing problems is bad for Democrats. Screwing everything up seems to help them.

2. Because they have a press willing to help them and cover for them they have no incentive to fix anything. As long as they can get away with sabotaging the economy and scaring the hell out of people this all works for them.

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"These two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis,"

"The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies,

the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." - Rep. Barney Frank (D)

I agree but frankly he's as close as we can get right now. Any and all other independents are frankly unknown to the majority of Americans. However Bloomberg is the mayor of one of the biggest cities in the world. He is loved by the state of New York and would have been my choice for president all those months ago. Unfortunately it's too late now.

I think that the Democrats are trying to solve problems. But they are inhibited by trying to adhere to their parties ideals. Their solutions for most things aren't the intellegent solutions but the ones they think will gain them party support. The Republicans have the same problem but I happen to think their solutions are generally more intellegent than the Democrats. However I remain firmly independent because both parties are trying to take over the government not solve its problems

Good post.

I think that the Dems just spend too much time taking opposition to Republican positions or developing wedge-issues to demonize Republicans. They tend to obstruct rather then solve. They don't worry about the side effect of their actions.

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"These two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis,"

"The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies,

the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." - Rep. Barney Frank (D)