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Who's fault is that?

Is it the politician who feels he has to lie to get elected or is it the voter who votes for the politician they know is a liar?
Of course it all falls to the voters who ignorantly install politicians who are corrupt. It's also their fault that they don't UNinstall them as well. Why do you think I use the term "idiot sheep" so often? I KNOW these scumbags don't elect themselves, but it doesn't excuse their behavior, nor does it excuse the single-minded partisans who continue to vote for a side because they are convinced the OTHER side is "evil" without considering who THEY elect.

Whether a person votes for a deceptive crook because he is too lazy to LOOK at the man he votes for, or votes for the crook because he despises the candidate's opponent, the end result is the same.
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Of course it all falls to the voters who ignorantly install politicians who are corrupt. It's also their fault that they don't UNinstall them as well. Why do you think I use the term "idiot sheep" so often? I KNOW these scumbags don't elect themselves, but it doesn't excuse their behavior, nor does it excuse the single-minded partisans who continue to vote for a side because they are convinced the OTHER side is "evil" without considering who THEY elect.

Whether a person votes for a deceptive crook because he is too lazy to LOOK at the man he votes for, or votes for the crook because he despises the candidate's opponent, the end result is the same.

It's easier to criticize then it is to point out your own good qualities.

Negative campaigning works.....that's why they do it.


The process really breaks down when you have a block of voters who don't care about the truth anymore and insist on voting for a rotten leader even if he doesn't know what he's doing or even if he has character traits that are despicable. The opponent has been demonized so thoroughly using Straw Man tactics that compared to him the low-life they support looks good to them. It's a lowering of the expectations of the electorate.
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It is beginning to look like nothing is beyond the pale of decency for these people.
Considering that America waged an unprovoked war of aggression against a much weaker foe I would say "decency" is not that important in the United States.

Second, did she actually say anything that was in factual error? Or is the angry reactions to her words merely an emotional response in defense of the vanguard American troops fighting the above mentioned unprovoked war of aggression?
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Considering that America waged an unprovoked war of aggression against a much weaker foe I would say "decency" is not that important in the United States.

Second, did she actually say anything that was in factual error? Or is the angry reactions to her words merely an emotional response in defense of the vanguard American troops fighting the above mentioned unprovoked war of aggression?
Unprovoked war?

Saddam was taking shots at our pilots for 10 years.

Saddam was taunting us for over a decade and making plans to murder us and we're not supposed to kick his butt just because he's a big-mouth punk who can't back up his BS?



Everything Pelosi said was factually wrong.

It was just a warped rationalization of the facts and what they meant.

She says she supports the troops but she never wants to give them credit when credit is due.

Simple as that.

She is a leader of our nation........and she's literally cheering for our enemies and telling our military..,"You Guys Suck".
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Unprovoked war?

Saddam was taking shots at our pilots for 10 years.
After your nation established illegal or at least unauthorized no fly zones within sovereign Iraqi territory! The Iraqi's had every right to fire at hostile planes invading their air space!

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After your nation established illegal no fly zones within sovereign Iraqi territory! The Iraqi's had every right to fire at hostile planes invading their air space!
Too rich, coming from one who spouts off UN sanctions w.r.t. Israel. Those only apply when it's Jews or the US, obviously.
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Too rich, coming from one who spouts off UN sanctions w.r.t. Israel. Those only apply when it's Jews or the US, obviously.
Please show me the section of UN Security Council Resolution 688 that authorised the "no-fly zones."
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Please show me the section of UN Security Council Resolution 688 that authorised the "no-fly zones."
It didn't. The coalition did. The reasons for the no fly zones from those who choose action over paper were to enforce a feeble and feckless piece of paper.

The UN is useless in enforcement. They are lucky for those who choose action so that their paper can appear to have some beef.

You laud the Palestinians for it but condemn others for the same thing.
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It didn't. The coalition did.
Then if I am correct and the UN did not authorise the "no fly zones" why did you make the following comment?

"Too rich, coming from one who spouts off UN sanctions w.r.t. Israel. Those only apply when it's Jews or the US, obviously."

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It's easier to criticize then it is to point out your own good qualities.

Negative campaigning works.....that's why they do it.
100% agreed on that. And again, it works because it plays to people's fears, which the idiot sheep seem to have more than common sense. And it's on BOTH sides. My own personal feeling is the far right do it a little better, or at least more effectively, but they all do it.
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The process really breaks down when you have a block of voters who don't care about the truth anymore and insist on voting for a rotten leader even if he doesn't know what he's doing or even if he has character traits that are despicable. The opponent has been demonized so thoroughly using Straw Man tactics that compared to him the low-life they support looks good to them. It's a lowering of the expectations of the electorate.
Exactly. I think it started many years ago when people started voting on a candidate's likability instead of qualifications.
I know people will think I mean Bush, but it goes back much further than him.

Robert Klein said it best when, on a talk show he said (paraphrasing here) "People like to the vote for the guy like the guy next door. MY next door neighbor is an idiot and I sure wouldn't want HIM as president!"
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Then if I am correct and the UN did not authorise the "no fly zones" why did you make the following comment?

"Too rich, coming from one who spouts off UN sanctions w.r.t. Israel. Those only apply when it's Jews or the US, obviously."

The answer is already there, Frank. You don't see it because you don't want to do so.

Once again, you spout off equally feckless UN resolutions against Israel while praising Palestinians for their violence (to enforce a meatless resolution), yet when the coalition does the same thing (to enforce a meatless resolution), you condemn it. Rich in hypocricy.
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The answer is already there, Frank. You don't see it because you don't want to do so.

Once again, you spout off equally feckless UN resolutions against Israel while praising Palestinians for their violence (to enforce a meatless resolution), yet when the coalition does the same thing (to enforce a meatless resolution), you condemn it. Rich in hypocricy.

Your criticism is a mystery to me; if UN Security Council Resolution 688 authorised the "no fly zones" than I would concede that Iraq was in breach of international law by shooting at the planes enforcing them. However, this is not the case; there is not one resolution that authorises these "no-fly zones" hence I am right to declare them unauthorised by the world body capable of lawfully authorising them.

I fail to see the alleged hypocrisy and for good reason...
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Your criticism is a mystery to me; if UN Security Council Resolution 688 authorised the "no fly zones" than I would concede that Iraq was in breach of international law by shooting at the planes enforcing them. However, this is not the case; there is not one resolution that authorises these "no-fly zones" hence I am right to declare them unauthorised.

I fail to see this alleged hypocrisy you seem to be referring too...
No doubt you fail to see it.

The UN is great about claiming something is "illegal". What do they ever do to enforce their proclaimations of illegality? Nothing. With a record like that, it's no wonder most don't pay attention to what the UN says is illegal. Yet, you selectively use these claims to justify your hatred of Israel (and it's looking like you do the same when it comes to the USA).
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After your nation established illegal or at least unauthorized no fly zones within sovereign Iraqi territory! The Iraqi's had every right to fire at hostile planes invading their air space!

Right.


If you were a Shiite in Basra or a Kurd from the north in Mosel you might appreciate those United Nations mandated No-fly Zones because they prevented Saddam from strafing innocent civilians in those areas.

The Iraqis were aggressors during Desert Storm.

They invaded their neighbors, raped and murdered their women and children, ripped up everything they could steal and trucked it off to Baghdad. I saw the mess they made with my own eyes. I would say they sacked Kuwait reminiscent of the raping and pillaging by Genghis Khan.
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Right.

What country are you from?...
He's Canadian.
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