United Nations Security Council Resolution 242 makes it clear that it is admissible to obtain territory by war. They have no legal claim to the West Bank or East Jerusalem...

On a side note; I find it odd that you toss your "principles" out the window when it comes to discussing the criminal actions of the worlds lone official Jewish state...

Really? I thought it was inadmissable. Better brush up on those resolutions.

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Is that supposed to say "inadmissible?" If that's actually stated correctly, I think the Jewish people have defended the West Bank and East Jerusalem. Whether their defense constitutes "war" is up for debate. However, I think the Jewish people would probably argue that their defense does, in fact, coincide with international law.

I also think there's a double standard involved, in some regard, to Israel. I also think a double standard should be involved, in some regard, to Israel.

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My mistake on the wording; sorry.

There is no debate. Israel captured these territories in the Six Day War from Jordan; a war Israel largely provoked! Where is the debate?

You mean you believe in human rights until it comes to addressing Jewish persecutors of gentiles?

This is one of my many beefs with the UN. They give little thought to what they proclaim as "illegal" and how those proclamations contradict other proclamations (and the charter).

Their meatless enforcement is a beef with me as well.

What is a law with no ability to enforce it? I say nothing.

Anyway, Pelosi is not winning points with her rhetoric.

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Are you claiming that UNSC Resolution 242 violates the UN Charter?

Why do you ask?

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Try this one out for size.

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/histo...ine_1020bc.jpg

And even as recent as 1917 Turks ruled the region.Ottoman Rule - On the Eve of World War One

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This means nothing; it is a poorly detailed map concocted by some American university website about the alleged population of Palestine centuries upon centuries ago. On the other hand my information is from the United Nations and provides detailed land ownership district by district provided by the Palestine government of 1945.

Ignoring the fact that you are using Israeli government sources; how does this piece of common knowledge negate my argument? Palestine was once a province of the Ottoman Empire...so what?

The Ottoman Empire made a habit of occupying other people's territory. The fact that somebody else occupied palestine hardly lends legitimacy to another person doing it.

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You're living in denial. History is what it is. Ignoring it isn't going to change history.

You can't close your eyes and ears and say "I'm not listening" to the whole world just because what they say doesn't jibe with whatever you choose to believe.

If the Palestinians want their land back they have to take it back or else they need to deal with their own weakness. Just wanting something isn't enough....but for some strange reason you think it is.

Arab countries have been using Palestine as a stick to beat over the head of Israel. They have chosen that their bigotry overrules common decency. They make up stories about Israel and teach them to their kids breeding hatred through the generations. Rich Muslims trick the poor among them into matyring themselves spreading fear and death everywhere they go. This is a desease that is spreading and is becoming self-sustaining. It's not about a strip of land anymore. It has become an abomination and a blight on the prospects for world harmony and peace. Turning the other cheek and learning to live with each other is not even considered a possibility. And it's over land......land that doesn't even belong to them in the first place. It's all about an idiology and all about bigotry....nothing more.

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