It is beginning to look like nothing is beyond the pale of decency for these people.

Now Nancy Pelosi can't even admit that our military is succeeding in Iraq nor that the Iraqi Security Forces are succeeding without giving the enemy(Iranians) credit she feels they are due. She has no idea that in war it is the military's job to force the enemy to show "Goodwill". It doesn't happen just because they're nice people:


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Is there anything these Democrats won't say to bad-mouth who they feel is the real enemy.....Bush and the military?

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Hey, at least it's better than Barack Obama's response. His statement that: The surge worked because democrats took the house & senate, which scared the heck out of the Iraqi's for "fear" we would leave a.s.a.p. Never a word about someone named General Petrayus.

Gen. Petraeus was the commanding Gen here a Ft. Campbell.

He's one of the best commanders the US has had since George S. Patton.

Just to let you know how tough he is. He got shot in the shoulder and a week later he was doing pushups.

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“The only thing standing between Joe Biden and the presidency is his mouth.”

- Michele Malkin

well, look, what else do they have? They have to come up with something, they are running out of bombs to throw;

first it was not enough troops, the Iraqi’s were not fighting for themselves ( true then)
then it was the political benchmarks,
then it was surge won’t work ,
then after bush finally saw the light and put them in and they are actually making headway, silence, grumblings re: cost
then it’s the political benchmarks,
then its too much money
then back to political benchmarks ,
then in general (notice last briefing there was NO mention of political benchmarks then) “hey when is it going to be over ( because by this time the results of the surge where becoming evident as the msm lost interest)

now its all a gift from Iran that’s why the surge did work “to an extent” and but wait there’s still not enough political headway.

Notice that if you goggle the headline, there are NO msms...at all....I would like to see her say that in the house.

And then there was and is-

first- the gov. i.e betraeus ad bush were using Iran as a reasons the lack of success... we awaked ( not really) Iran and gave them a gift by creating consternation that otherwise would t be evident ( there is truth to that, but it flys in the face of all the points they have made when taken on the whole)

now, basra etc. has occurred its because Iran decided hey, you know what? Lets just lay down now....that control of basra and the port is nothing and Iran wants to help us out by pulling back.


the san fran chrioonicle is her hoetown paper,

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For some liberals (and I use that term so very loosley) their politics are their religion. They are fanatics and will stop at nothing to obtain and keep power. That's why liberals are not liberal. They do not believe in liberty only power and keeping it. The war is just their daily satan. It is just something they can rail against. It's just something for them to focus on as they pound their shoe on the table. Secretly, on the inside they are thinking "we will bury your children!"

If not the war, then Bush, or global warming. When Bush is out of office and global warming is proved to be a hoax, they will ignore it, or go back to abortion, social security, class warfare or some other crass angle. It never ends.

The only way to beat it, is to beat it down so badly that they can never recover.

Absolutely Pelosi was insane to suggest that. After all, the surge was not successful. The original mission of the war on Iraq was to turn the country into a sovereign country run by the will of its people, and what the surge did is turn it even more into a country run by the will of the US military.

Occupation <> Freedom. Hello, logic

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What a load of partisan bullshit-shes just saying that there are other factors in the surges sucess-not just the mighty US power. Its widly accepted over here that we wouldn't be able to pull back from Basra without Iranian agreement to pull back-and its the same all over Iraq. there isn't just one factor in the recent 'sucess'.

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God forbid anyone suggest that military successes that coincided with the surge may have been due to some other factors in addition to strong will and perseverance. Have we gotten to the point now where not only can one not say anything bad about the military, but one can't even attribute even the slightest portion of a success to anyone but the military?

If the Democrats continue to fund the war (which I, personally, think they should do), the GOP calls them a "do-nothing" Congress and accuses them of lying to the American people about ending the war.

If the Democrats stop funding the war, the GOP chastises them for not supporting our troops.

Just call this what it is: Partisan hackery at its finest.

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so you beleive some of the sucess of the surge, which here to fore they have bascially denied and pooh poohed is due to iranian policy pulling back?

I mean her grasp if the situation seems so infantile anyway, its hard to debate someone with a hyper partisan views of the events in any case. Basra is just a piece of the surge, I'd say her generalization is off based and a gross mischaracterization. Last year fallujah, ramadi where virtual no go zones. How significant is the Iranian influence there?

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Partisan hackery that started with you democrats.

If you didnt want to play the game you should have never stepped up to the plate.

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WharfedleTiger:

It is sometimes tricky to "spin" a top or a "story" but as you know the top exhausts its energy and collapses as will the "spun story". :-)

OK......tell me why we should withdraw as long as the enemy doesn't?

The Iranians won't stop unless they are given good enough reasons to stop.

Saying that only their kindness and goodwill made them see the light....instead of the effectiveness of the Iraqi troops......is just a rationalization and bastardisation of reality. The fact that they are providing training and IEDs to be used against Iraqi and US troops who are defending Iraqi territory and innocent civilians in Iraq pretty much puts the cabosh on the image that Iran is an ambassador of goodwill. Iran is the invader now, not the US.

The truth doesn't fit into your political viewpoint because of your inability to accept the realities at hand.

I cannot believe the mentality of some people.......

Some will accept that the surge has been a tremendous success but won't admit the causes....while other refuse to face up to the fact that indeed the surge has proven to be a success. Ether way it shows an inability to admit the truth and admit defeat on their part. Our success means their defeat. Our defeat is a success to them. This thought process is twisted and evil.

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“The only thing standing between Joe Biden and the presidency is his mouth.”

- Michele Malkin

Because we should never have been there to begin with.

I think that at least a portion of the successes of the surge have been due to aspects outside of the control of the U.S. and Iraqi militaries. My response wasn't as much of an agreement with Pelosi as it was a disagreement with Mudwhistle's interpretation of Pelosi's comments.

Furthermore, can people stop referring to the surge as a "resounding success" every chance we get? I know you, IMP, aren't one of these people, but it really destroys credibility when people use phrases like that. If the surge was a "resounding" or "tremendous" success, we'd be ready to start bringing troops home. After all, isn't the ability to end a war after all goals are accomplished the true indicator of success? Many of the goals of the surge have been accomplished and much due credit should go to those who implemented them. However, the situation in Iraq is still extremely complicated and, according to many analysts, far from over.

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I don't support withdrawing mate-I think the surge has been a qualified sucesses-it hasn;t ended the violence and I worry that if troop numbers are drawn down it will return, especally if Iran starts funding again. I'm not partisan either way-I opposed the Iraq war but I support us staying there now, it would be wrong to withdraw (One of the few areas I agree with McCain on).

Theres a lot of factors in the recent sucess, the surge is one of them (a big one) as is the Iranian stepdown, increased Iraqi police numbers, a stronger democratic gov't there, and less support for militants, in particular AQ has alienated many. Whats wrong with saying that?

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There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare. - Art of War, Sun-Tzu, Chapter 2, Paragraph 6

"An eye for an eye makes everyone blind"-Gandi