And he's still a lot better than McCain, what were the Republicans thinking when they picked a senile old man like that?

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“The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine.”

Senator Thad Cochran, Mississippi (R)
on McCain

“I decided I didn’t want this guy anywhere near a trigger.”
Senator Pete Domenici, New Mexico (R)
on McCain

“My anger did not help my campaign ... People don’t like angry candidates very much.”

McCain on McCain

He's not senile.......

.....and Conservatives didn't pick McCain.

Huckabee and Romney split the Conservative vote so independents and moderate Republicans picked McCain.

If ether Huckabee or Romney had not run McCain wouldn't have won the nomination.

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"We're not going to be bullied, we're not going to be smeared, we're not going to be lied about.....

.....I don't believe in coming in second." - Barack Obama

There is still something more he can do.

He can quit making excuses for Trinity United.


Even now....after all of the extreme racism that church has displayed Obama still said his primary reason for leaving that church is because it has become a circus and that the people of that church have been shut-in. After watching all of the videos....watching them jump out of their seats, waving their arms and hollering along with racist rants......it looks more like a zoo then a circus.



He's more worried about the quality of life for the racists in that church then whether they are right to be racists in the first place. They operate like a black version of a KKK rally....take out the hoods and burning crosses and add Black Liberation Theology and some R&B music. I think if they got rid of the politics and started teaching the gospel again then people would leave them alone. Right now they are a big-time problem regardless of what they claim they do for the community. Preaching all of that hate week in and week out can't be good for that community.

This is why I believe he agrees with them 100% and he has reluctantly withdrawn his membership. This should have been done as soon as Rev. Wright came to light. For that matter common-decency would have made most people leave that den of hatred and racism after witnessing sermons the likes of which we have been made aware of the past few months. It is too late for him to pass himself off as being anything other then a racist himself. In all honesty....at this point I would settle for Al Gore over this guy after finding out all of this about him because he isn't fit to be President. Al Gore at the very least is fit for the office.


This bed was made years ago by Obama......he's gonna have to sleep in it. The only reason he even had the nerve to attempt a run at the Presidency is because he feels that Democrats and the Mainstream Media would back him up no matter what was discovered about him.....because they don't believe the truth matters anymore.......and to go straight to the point......the MSM and the Democrats in Washington feel we will accept anything.....which is the same as calling us a bunch of dishonest low-lifes.

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"We're not going to be bullied, we're not going to be smeared, we're not going to be lied about.....

.....I don't believe in coming in second." - Barack Obama

Well, It never was a religious issue to start with. If he had been part of a PTA grp. , a social club etc. would the issue have been any different, no, not imho. I think making this a religious issue is misleading, always have. In fact it affords him a protection by framing it so, that he really doesn't deserve.

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For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile....

ahhh hes senile now....uh huh. and hey so what right? In a country where in we accord fanatastic allowances to the "disabled" or create new ways to parse greivances due to like, oh, biological issues, so what right? Wheres that lib big tent and fight for the less advantaged? tsk tsk.

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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile....

I think the only thing that makes them a church is that they mention God every once in awhile and they carry Bibles with them to services, but I doubt they even crack them.

Trinity United is purely as Obama called it "A Political Circus". They shouldn't be allowed tax-free status.

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"We're not going to be bullied, we're not going to be smeared, we're not going to be lied about.....

.....I don't believe in coming in second." - Barack Obama

It's probably a mixture of both. He made a mistake in judgment and probably wasn't completely honest about the entire situation. With all due respect, you seem to think it is some kind of revelation that he happens to be "just another politician." Interestingly, Obama hasn't been the one going around saying "I am the answer," or "I'm different." He's been rallying people by saying, "We've got to change Washington." Statements like these have given him a reputation that is far greater than the man himself. I don't necessarily fault him for not coming out and saying, "Whoa guys. Let's slow down here. I'm just another politician." He's been labeled by his fans as something bigger than he is. But I don't think he is necessarily responsible for that label.

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"The nice part about being a pessimist is that you are constantly being either proven right or pleasantly surprised.”
- George Will

Well you want to start yanking tax exempt status from churches? That's going to be messy. Are you going to lead that charge?

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"An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens."

-Thomas Jefferson

I understand that certain people aren't taking issue with his religion, specifically. Some people are (no offense, Frank), but most of them are few and far between. However, this really is, at its core, a religious issue. It's an issue about the man's church. If this was an issue about a PTA group or a social club, I think the scrutiny would be completely warranted because I don't equate churches, which many people hold in very high esteem, to social clubs, which are often casual memberships that are much easier to leave than a church.

I think in this case, a distinction has to be made between a church and a social club, and its disingenuous to try and discount the religious aspects of the accusations against Obama. At their core, they are indictments of the man's church, pastor, and in some cases, religion.

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"The nice part about being a pessimist is that you are constantly being either proven right or pleasantly surprised.”
- George Will

He is greatly responsible for cultivating a false label or image that doesn't fit him. For that he is guilty of misleading us, being a hypocrit, being two-faced.....which in my eyes makes him unfit to be President. Is it too much to ask for a President to say what he means and mean what he says?

I believed at one time that he was truely different....but then I started reading his bio.....and discovered alarming indicators only a few of which have been made public the last few months.

I never would have voted for him anyway because he's too Liberal for my tastes....but I had no idea he was such a racist.....and I didn't think it was possible for Democrats to support such a person.....which only means their claims to be innocent of racism is a total farse.

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"We're not going to be bullied, we're not going to be smeared, we're not going to be lied about.....

.....I don't believe in coming in second." - Barack Obama

What is two-faced and misleading about making speeches and letting people develop their own opinions about you? I suppose if people thought Ronald Reagan was the greatest president of all time, then he was a two-faced hypocrite for leading people on about such a label. See where this line of reasoning takes us? We can't blame the individual for the labels that are given to him. That's ludicrous.

Mudwhistle, do me a favor. Find me some of those quotes, directly from Obama, that you feel make him "such a racist." And please don't bother to take them out of context because I'll find them immediately afterward and put them into context.

You know, as well as I do, that Obama is no racist. The charges of liberalism are at least somewhat substantiated.

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"The nice part about being a pessimist is that you are constantly being either proven right or pleasantly surprised.”
- George Will

Okay I get that, he may have felt a responsibility to stay there that he normally would not have felt if it was a social club etc..( I think its interesting to note that Oprah had her issues with and left the church- is she smarter, wiser, more forward looking and has better judgment? - Why Oprah Winfrey Left Rev. Wright's Church | Newsweek Periscope | Newsweek.com )...but, too, church is also a social club as well, the prgms they worked on together etc. "church" is a social construct, but all be it with a certain ingrained loyalty, beyond a social club depending on its mandate and org. principals. for instance.

So, either way, we wind up back here to the issues I think this really speaks too- judgment and character.

And one other thing on the religious front, if we choose to parse it that way- politicians have an issue with abortion, driven via religious dogma that all life is precious including embryos etc.....I am simplifying that, but the point is, if a pols stance on abortion is open to contentious debate and speculation than so should his ( obamas) religious affiliation as to tenets of his church, be it abortion or racial, radical commentary of its church dogma as proselytized from the pulpit, right?

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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile....

Try walking a mile an another man's shoes. I'd call you a liar if you said you'd met a black person that didn't harbor some racial animosity. I've know many whites that were racially insensitive, some in my own family.

For me this is much ado about nothing.

When Obama appoints an all black cabinet, declares martial law to instate an all black congress, and institutes a reparations tax on all white people--well it will be too late. But you really think that kind of thing will happen?

I'm sure you'll be able to seek political asylum in Germany--I'll be headed to Austria.

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"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."

"An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens."

-Thomas Jefferson

Half of my family is black......my wife is black. I'm part American Indian.

Don't even attempt to preach at me.

This is about what is right and what is wrong....not what color you are.

Being Black is not a Get Out of Jail Free card where racism is concerned.

The reason Trinity United is what it is is because of their belief that blacks deserve restitution from whites.....that being black innoculates them from being racists themselves. They believe that they have to right to hate whites because of something that happened over 100 years ago. They still haven't learned to "Turn the other cheek" and move on.

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"We're not going to be bullied, we're not going to be smeared, we're not going to be lied about.....

.....I don't believe in coming in second." - Barack Obama

We'll see about that come November

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"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to
change it." -- Barack Obama