Ronald Reagan never said he was the greatest nor did he even attempt to cultivate that image. Show me where he did.

The testiment to his greatness comes from his followers and admirers.



Let me ask you......is there any Democrat President in the last 60 years other then JFK that is truely admired in this manner?


Incidentally, JFK would be a Republican in comparison to the Democrats of today.



Obama's quotes look good on the surface but when you discover the truth about them that is where the lies and the two-faced nature come to the surface.

His proclamations about his church have slowly crept in small increments to the point where he has had to finally announce that he is leaving the church he still loves......but this only happened because he wants to be President....not because he thinks it was the right thing to do.

That makes him a two-faced politician of the worst kind.

He's no different from Hillary in that respect.

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"We can't screw it up any worse than they have." - Barack Obama

Wanna bet?



"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste...." - Rahm Emmanuel

I do think it is his fault and I think it was willful. But suppose you are correct; If for some reason you were under the impression that I was something I am not - do I have an obligation to correct you? I think a genuinely honest person would do so. Taken in context with his Church and his questionable associations, it looks very bad.

Moreover, there are a lot of problems, for a national politician, being associated with a church like Trinity The biggest problem is one that the Senator hasn't addressed nor, do I believe, he's capable of addressing, which is how did he sit in those aisles for over 20 years? Rev. J Wright's sermons were for sale - these were sermons the Rev. was proud of. Obviously, from his press conference at the National Press Club, these were views he had no difficulty expressing so why would we believe that the Senator never heard this sort of rhetoric before?

Obama will never be elected if the voting public has to sacrifice all of their common sense to vote for him. Obama will never be elected if he can't explain why he couldn't figure out, in 20 years, what Oprah figured out in 2 years. If it's important for Oprah to be more mainstream, in appearance, to be successful, why on earth wouldn't Obama believe he has to be more mainstream to be elected President of the United States?

Obama has shown very poor judgment on this issue, and on the issue of his questionable associations. What I am worried about is what do these ideological people see in Senator Obama? These people, the radical believing group of political activists he's associated with in Chicago, wouldn't just support anyone and they've chosen Senator Obama. Why?

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I think at this point there needs to be a focus on an immediate increase in spending and I think this is a time when deficit fear has to take a second seat . . . I believe later on there should be tax increases. Speaking personally, I think there are a lot of very rich people out there whom we can tax at a point down the road and recover some of the money."
-- Barney Frank, October 20, 2008

It is yet another opportunity to show the Black Community that they the Democrats aren't racists and prove that Republicans are racists.

It's an opportunity to yet again solidify a large segment of their base.

It gives them the opportunity to support a candidate that is a sacred-cow like every spokesperson they throw at Republicans are. Someone who is untouchable........and if he loses he can act as a martyr to White Supremacy.


Also it has a little do with threats of violence from black groups if Obama doesn't win the nomination.

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"We can't screw it up any worse than they have." - Barack Obama

Wanna bet?



"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste...." - Rahm Emmanuel

But I think a strong distinction is made between the politician's stance regarding abortion based on his religious beliefs, and a politician's stance on abortion unrelated to religious beliefs. If I said to you, "I am against abortion," and you asked, "Why?," and I responded, "Because of my religion," you would be completely justified in considering that a subjective, unjustified response that has no place in a rational discussion of the issues. That, in my opinion, is one of the main reasons why someone's religious beliefs should have no baring on their political positions (though I think many people think it is ridiculous for me to suggest such a thing). Rationality should always supersede religious dogma with regard to public policy.

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"The nice part about being a pessimist is that you are constantly being either proven right or pleasantly surprised.”
- George Will

Absolutely, especially in such a diverse country (or a country that is supposed to pride itself on diversity that has lead to a culture unique from any other).

W.r.t. BO quitting the church, he did the right thing, IMO, especially after the leader of that church has been outed.

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I am an American. That's the way most of us put it, just matter of factly. They are plain words, those four: you could write them on your thumbnail, or sweep them clear across this bright autumn sky. But remember too, that they are more than just words. They are a way of life. So whenever you speak them; speak them firmly, speak them proudly, speak them gratefully. I am an American. ...a tradition

I'd love for you to show me where Obama has "cultivated" the image that you find so repulsive.

You can speculate about Obama's reasons for leaving his church. Maybe it was because he finally saw the church for what it has become. Maybe he's recognized that his extended membership was a mistake in judgment and he's decided to rectify that mistake by leaving. Either way, if Obama saved a baby on the railroad tracks, I have no doubt you'd come up with some way to twist it into a political maneuver that is actually a testament to his inner racism and hatred of America, of which, by the way, I'd love for you to show me some substantial evidence.

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"The nice part about being a pessimist is that you are constantly being either proven right or pleasantly surprised.”
- George Will

You seem to be constantly hung up on the idea that one party has to be racist. You even initiated a poll a few months ago asking which party openly practices racism. The answer is simple: Neither. Any rational person can see that.

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"The nice part about being a pessimist is that you are constantly being either proven right or pleasantly surprised.”
- George Will

I don't really see how that question is any different from asking, when a group of White/Black/Asian/Latino supremacists throw their support behind a candidate, why they would do such a thing? If that were the case, people should instantly be suspect of any candidate that unintentionally garners the support of any group that people dislike.

If you wish to believe that Senator Obama will run the country based on the intentions of Ayers and Rezko and Farrakhan, then feel free. But you'll be no different from the liberal whackos who think President Bush ran/runs the country based on the intentions of Kenneth Lay or Saudi Arabian Oil executives or any other shady individuals that possess connections to him.

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"The nice part about being a pessimist is that you are constantly being either proven right or pleasantly surprised.”
- George Will

"I'm Doing The Lords Work"

Yes we can,

Vote For Hope,

Vote For Change,


sound familiar?

What hope does he offer?

What change does he offer that would be good for Ameria?


I'm not some cretin who doesn't believe in giving someone credit for their accomplishments.

His mistake in judgement was too big to let pass. It is the kind of mistake that anyone with a conscience or with any decency wouldn't make.

I've been invited to be in organizations similar to the ones Obama has been hanging with and chose not to do it. The opportunity to reject racism for him has long ago passed.

He doesn't get another chance.

Not now.

Even if he rejects Trinity United it's just because he thinks it will get him in the White House.

He picked the wrong time to leave the church and he never has admitted it was a mistake to join in the first place.

My feeling is that the only reason you want to cut him so much slack is because maybe it doesn't matter to you what kind of person you put in the White House.......but it does to me.

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"We can't screw it up any worse than they have." - Barack Obama

Wanna bet?



"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste...." - Rahm Emmanuel

Or because he got caught with his pants around his ankles?

Him quitting is purely political. After 20 years of hearing Wrights hate speech he now chooses to quit once Wright is exposed? Too funny that you believe otherwise.

Kenneth Lay? Saudi Arabian Oil Executives?

Did Bush spend the last 20 years sitting through Sunday services with ether one of them?

Did Bush call Kenneth Lay his Spiritial Advisor?

Did ether one of them preform his wedding ceremony?

Has Bush had to cut ties with ether one of them because they said something about him that is so embarassing he had to cut ties with them?

Has Kenneth Lay blown up government buildings and said recently that he didn't do enough?

Has Kenneth Lay said Bush is going to say what he has to just because he's a politician?

Has Kenneth Lay said "God Damn America"?

No.

There is no comparison.

It's one thing to hang with people who are different.....it's another to hang with people who practice the kind of racism and hatred that Rev. Wright and the Trinity United Church, Bill Ayers, and Louis Farrakhan practices.

I used to think Liberals were just poor judges of character....but now it becomes clear that character, honesty, and good leadership qualities aren't even a consideration with them.

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"We can't screw it up any worse than they have." - Barack Obama

Wanna bet?



"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste...." - Rahm Emmanuel

I'll give you that, I just don't see Obama's racism. Maybe I'm just color blind.

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Big Number of 2008
8,217,246
Obama's Margin of Victory

"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."

-Thomas Jefferson

I think it has become blatantly clear that absolutely nothing the man can do would convince either of you that he is fit for office. It seems both of you hold religious affiliations to a much higher regard than policy. Fair enough. I'm in no position, whatsoever, to tell either of you how you should rank your political priorities.

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"The nice part about being a pessimist is that you are constantly being either proven right or pleasantly surprised.”
- George Will

Kenneth Lay didn't do any of those things. Kenneth Lay was directly involved with unethical business dealings that may or may not have directly benefited the president. I don't know about you, but I find that much more troublesome than who President Bush sat with at church on Sundays. In the same regard, I think Obama's relationship with Rezko is worthy of much more scrutiny than his relationship with Rev. Wright. Like I said above, it's obvious that someone's religious affiliations are much more important to you than political policy.

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"The nice part about being a pessimist is that you are constantly being either proven right or pleasantly surprised.”
- George Will