I don't think "liberals" are necessarily poor judges of character. I think they just have a different way of judging character. They aren't as quick to judge someone by the company they keep. They aren't as quick to label someone based on a few soundbites. They aren't as quick to vilify someone for a few mistakes. And, most importantly, they're more than willing to listen to all sides of an argument before putting someone into a category that they may or may not actually belong.

At the same time, however, I think your hysterical desire to draw lines between liberals and non-liberals clouds your ability to use reason and logic, rather than emotion and personal opinion.

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"The nice part about being a pessimist is that you are constantly being either proven right or pleasantly surprised.”
- George Will

No. I don't think it's because you're color blind at all.

You may be.

I just think you want to cut the man way more slack then he deserves.

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"These two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis,"

"The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies,

the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." - Rep. Barney Frank (D)

Or you want to label a man a racist because 1% of the statements made by 1% of the people with whom he associates happen to be racist.

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"The nice part about being a pessimist is that you are constantly being either proven right or pleasantly surprised.”
- George Will

Based on a few sound bites.........

Check out the Trinity United site and find out for yourself if it is just a few sound bites.

What you saw in those sound bites and almost every single sermon that is presented on Sundays is the essense of Trinity United and the only reason Obama joined that church in the first place. He joined the church so he could ether become a Civil Rights crusader or pose as one.



My mind is not clouded on the issue.

I think what you are willing to accept as a President doesn't reach the level that I think a President should be.

You must feel that the Presidency is some kind of joke. It really doesn't matter to you what kind of leaders end up in that office because you've bought into the perception that American Presidents are all screwed up anyway so it doesn't really matter.

If you don't like the way this country turned out why do want to roll the dice again hoping that this guy isn't the type of person he appears to be? It's like playing Russian Rullet with a fully loaded pistol.

It would be different if it was only one thing, but as time goes along more and more Rev. Wrights keep popping up out of the woodwork. And every day Obama runs the risk of giving something else away when he opens his mouth. Then the Obama camp and all of his supporters have to spend the next week explaining his gaffs.

If he wasn't thinking out loud he wouldn't be making all of these gaffs.

If his heart was in the right place everyone wouldn't have to spend so much time explaining what he meant or explaining away all of his friends or his past.

He's not even in the White House and he's already got more skeletons then Bill Clinton. Do you really want someone like that in the White House?

I want a President that says what he means....somebody who I don't have to worry about selling our national security down the tubes....somebody who I don't have to find out years down the road that he was lying to me.

It's a free country. You can use your vote any way you want. I reserve the right to vote for what's best for the American people. If I discover that we've got a bad leader I'll do whatever it takes to make sure that anyone who'll listen to me knows it. That's my right.

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"These two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis,"

"The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies,

the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." - Rep. Barney Frank (D)

If he had engaged in beating white kids, or fired staffers for racial reasons, I might feel differently, but last time I checked speech is still a protected form of expression. For me actions speak louder than words, maybe I'm missing something, but I'm not aware of actions of his that would paint him as a racist.

Care to share an example of him being a racist, or are you just going condemn him for his words--damn his actions.

Calling Obama a racist is like calling Bush a Nazi, it belittles the people who have suffered at the hand of racism, just as calling Bush a Nazi, or worse, Hitler, belittles those who suffered at the hand of Nazis.

The saying goes:"If it walks like a duck, quacks talks like a duck, and looks like a duck, it's a duck."

It's not just "If it quaks like a duck, it's a duck."

What I'm getting at, is people say a lot of things, a lot of things they later regret, but far fewer do the things they say.

Obama's words are circumstantial, show me some racist deeds, then you have a stronger case.

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"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."

"An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens."

-Thomas Jefferson

I don't think he would run the country like a radical, but you never really know, do you? Who knows what another human really believes? What I do know is that Obama is friends with a pair of radical bombers, at least one shady land developer, he attended a racist church for twenty years, was deeply influenced and mentored by a racist Reverend, he married a woman who sees America as 'downright mean' , then you factor in his comments made in front of SF elites about how "bitter Americans are clinging to Religion and guns" etc.........it looks really, really bad. If he were a Republican I'd feel the same way and the MSM would be mercilessly excoriating the candidate. Yet Obama essentially is given a free pass mainly because most of the media are farther to the left than the rest of the country. Well, so be it. The end of the DNC nomination process is near, worst case in August we'll know. The bottom line is I think Hillary is a far better candidate and far more experienced. Call me crazy, but I'd rather have two candidates that are fully vetted and experienced than someone like Obama who has so many questions surrounding him.

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"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to
change it." -- Barack Obama

He claims that this is our opportunity to elect the only person capable of bringing real change.

Now where did he get that idea? From Rev. Wright?

What is real change to Obama?

Is it electing a black President?

Is he implying that he is the only electable black that has come down the pike?

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"These two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis,"

"The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies,

the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." - Rep. Barney Frank (D)

Well he's the only one to get this far.

Bush preached change, and we got it; it's not the kind of change I was looking for but it was change none the less. Now McCain is a virtual clone of Bush, today, and that is a dead end street, IMHO. Obama is a change, for better or worse. Hopefully for all of our sakes, for the better. But I seriously doubt he's going to be the angry black president bent on reparations.

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"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."

"An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens."

-Thomas Jefferson

Are you blind? You must be.

His most obvious racist deed is being a member of a racist church. It must be because it's been talked about so much and so often that it doesn't even register with you anymore. You've become callased against anything this man has done.



He claims that this is our opportunity to elect the only person capable of bringing real change.

Does he base this belief off of his political beliefs?


Far as I can see he's just a Liberal in every sense of the word. He believes in nothing different then what we've heard before. He believes in the same ideals that we've rejected the last several elections. What change does he bring?

Bill Clinton was elected because he sounded like a centerist, not a Liberal.


What is real change to Obama?



Obama must feel that only a black man can change America.

Now where did he get that idea? From Rev. Wright?




When I was a teenager I used to think women would make good leaders because they had never been in positions of power, but now we find out that they are just as bad as men. Obama thinks that a black man will make a better leader because he hasn't been corrupted by power.

This is a racist attitude.


Unfortunately we will most likely end up finding out that he's even worse because he doesn't know anything and his heart isn't in the right place.

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"These two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis,"

"The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies,

the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." - Rep. Barney Frank (D)

McCain isn't a clone of Bush. You can't just say "Bush-McCain" hundreds of times in an attempt to join them at the hip.

McCain and Bush have been at odds for too many years for McCain to be his clone. If he was I wouldn't have reservations about voting for him. As it is I'm not sure I will. It depends on who he picks for VP.

McCain has been supportive of Bush where the war is concerned but not much else.....so the McCain Bush clone contention doesn't hold water.

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"These two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis,"

"The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies,

the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." - Rep. Barney Frank (D)

So if someone were running for office and, during a speech said "All niggers, slants, and kikes should be imprisoned, released only to perform manual labor for the superior white man", you wouldn't consider that person a racist?

Because I'm pretty sure most people would.

But, then again, they're just "words", right?

Nice frame. Did McCain say that?

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"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."

"An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens."

-Thomas Jefferson

To the average American. Obama's denial of Pastor Wrights comments, are like someone being a 20 year member of a street gang, then stating they had no idea or were not associated with any of the violence committed by the gang.

The point is Obama did know Pastor Wright. He knew his radical views, & disinvited him to his announcement. Yet, he kept him on his campaign committee, until the video came out.

Now with Father Fledger, he was "forced" to resign from this church. Which in turn brings up Obama's judgement. If his political ambitions were high, why didn't he leave this church in the dust long ago? Any other rational person would have, knowing full well in advance, that associations with radicals, would indeed hurt their political dreams.

Not that I'm aware of.

But, given your logic that words don't make someone a racist, I was simply wondering, if you heard someone make such a statement, if you would consider that person a racist.

Would you?

I would most certainly consider it, if someone said that. But nobody has, have they?

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"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."

"An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens."

-Thomas Jefferson