It has nothing to do with his religious affiliation, its about racism.

Obama doesnt sit for 20 years hearing Wright preach how bad white people is and how the white men of this country has had the boot on the throat of the black man not to think the same way.

Obama is a radical black man married to a radical black woman following the leadership of a radical black preacher.

Why you cannot see it I dont know. But I am a black man who sees it quite clearly.

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Bote OBAMA BIN BIDEN, OTAY!!




I say what many think but fail to say but would like to.

Let's not forget that segregation is still a living memory. The Trinity Church of Christ follows a long tradition of black churches going back to the turn of the 19th century, which were very vocal about perceived injustices against blacks. That doesn't excuse everything that is said in evangelical black churches, any more than what is said say on the 700 Club. But it isn't shocking by any stretch, to me at least.

It wasn't all that long ago, a little over ten years, that 75 black churches were burned down. That's a lot of racism.

You say I've become callused to anything Obama has done, other than being a member of a church, what has he done which convinces you so whole heartedly that he is a racist?

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"An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens."

-Thomas Jefferson

Why would you even consider it?

You've said that a person's words don't make him a racist, so why would there be any concern, on your part, regarding such a statement? Given your previous statement, it would be rather hypocritical for you to be concerned about such a statement...

I think you're just having a hard time with the english language again.

consider |kənˈsidər|
verb [ trans. ] (often be considered)
think carefully about (something), typically before making a decision : each application is considered on its merits | [as adj. ] (considered) it is my considered opinion that we should await further developments.

• think about and be drawn toward (a course of action) : he had considered giving up his job.
• regard (someone or something) as having a specified quality : I consider him irresponsible.
• believe; think : at first women were considered to be at low risk from HIV | I don't consider that I'm to blame.
• take (something) into account when making an assessment or judgment : one service area is not enough when you consider the number of cars using this highway.
• look attentively at : he considered the women around the table with wariness.

I really don't mean to be condescending, but your parsing of words is a bit flawed.

What gave that impression, how did you come to that conclusion?

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"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."

"An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens."

-Thomas Jefferson

dude, please, the whole church burning thing was a clintonian PR construct.

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Other than voluntarily, as an adult, being a member of a racist church for twenty years and having the racist pastor of said racist church as his "spiritual mentor" for that time?

If there's parsing to be done, I think you'd be the go-to guy.

You essentially said that Obama's words don't make him a racist. "Show me a racist action" you said (or something laong those lines).

So, if words don't make someone a racist, why would you even consider the possibility that someone saying the statement about kikes, slants, and niggers would be a racist? Wouldn't you need to see some "action" which would paint that person as a racist?

I'm betting you wouldn't.

Given your previous statement, though, you're afraid to admit it, because that would make you look silly.

Well, you look even sillier when you continue to dodge a simple question...

No it doesn't, considering someone to be a racist is different from believing they are a racist.

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"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."

"An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens."

-Thomas Jefferson

I guess in Mudwhistle's universe, every member of Trinity Church is a racist, including the white ones.

I would agree that words can be an indication of racism on someone's part, but not someone else's words. There are no words or deeds of Obama's that brand him as a racist, and no, being a member of Trinity Church will not suffice. Those are someone else's words, not his, even to the extent they show racism, which mostly they don't.

After reading Obama's explanation of why he quit the church, I'm inclined to believe it. I think that he left because of the effect his campaign was having on the church, at least as much as vice-versa. Although I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say he'd have done the same if there were no benefit to his campaign. And I don't find anything wrong with that.

To satisfy the Mudwhistles of the world, Obama would have to wear a hair shirt, go unshaven for a month, beat his breast in public, and apologize for his sins in ever having anything to do with a church that involved itself in liberal politics, then swear to listen to Rush Limbaugh for at least 20 hours as a public penance, and possibly switch parties to the GOP.

I think we can simply resign ourselves to the fact that there are a few people in this country who will not be Obama supporters, and this sort of thing seems important to them not because it really is (even to them), but because it reinforces the opinion that they are already committed to for completely different reasons. For those of us who like Obama's liberal politics, those of us for whom it is not a reason to look for other reasons to oppose him, this whole Wright/Trinity Church business is, always has been, and always will be a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Whatever you say, Dodge...

Obama's dumping his controversial church and controversial figures therein...

Meanwhile, McCain is dumping controversial endorsers and dumping controversial lobbyists from his campaign staff.

They're both politicians playing politics and there is no coincidence that the timing of these moves to get rid of controversy magnets comes as the general election is about to begin.

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Screw Change!! Let's have a Seamless Transition of Power and Policy.. John McSame in 2008!

give that man a cigar.

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Obama-e fungis nati homines....

What words of Obama make him a racist? "Typical white woman"? I've asked for actions that Obama has taken that paint him a racist, and the best anyone has come up with, was that he was part of a controversial church. The fantastic hypothetical you proposed was so inflammatory and beyond racism, crossing into the realm of tyranny. You didn't qualify who it was who said those words, and have a problem with the difference in your blatant hypothetical, and Obama's actual words.

Just because Obama may be guilty of stereotyping, doesn't automatically make what he said racist. I'm sure there are many people of all ethnicities which are guilty of stereotyping. And stereotypes exist for a reason, because in enough cases they are true.

I'm still waiting for something, anything someone here can point to about Obama that is truly racist. So far it's been pretty weak.

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"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."

"An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens."

-Thomas Jefferson

Sometimes words speak louder then actions.

You need to get real.


Do you think we're gonna see a video of Obama taking a machete to a white guy or raping a white woman just for kicks? That's what it sounds like it will take for you to believe what the guy is.

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"The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies,

the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." - Rep. Barney Frank (D)

Segregation was the Dems idea. Check it out if you don't believe me. It started with Southern Democrats.
Civil Rights Act of 1875 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Segregation in America
Racial segregation in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Fifteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Separate but equal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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"These two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis,"

"The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies,

the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." - Rep. Barney Frank (D)