This one never gets old

And where, praytell, did those Southern Democrats go during the 60's? (I'll give you a hint - it starts with G and ends with P and there's an O in the middle). Of course, I think the notion that the GOP or Republicans in general are racist is an anachronism at this point, but using your disingenuous argument to combat another disingenuous argument hardly raises the level of discourse. There were a lot of Southern Racists in the Democratic party who later jumped ship for the GOP. Now, neither party really has to worry about that, since those types are essentially dead and gone from politics.

Of course, if we do go along these lines, I guess that means that Republicans share Lincoln's assessment that black people ought to be removed from the US and sent to Africa?

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"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."

-Thomas Jefferson

Robert Byrd never went GOP.

Sorry, but you're pushing a Liberal stereotype and a historical fallacy.

Besides....all of the race-baiting that is going on in the primary is between the Democrats. The G O P is staying out of it.

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"These two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis,"

"The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies,

the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." - Rep. Barney Frank (D)

The GOP is virtually homogeneous, it's candidates, Keys aside, are all white. It's easy not to deal with race, when you have little diversity in your leadership.

You're dodging the issue by going back in time when the political polarity was opposite of what it is today. I'm not sure who you're trying to fool, maybe you're just fooling yourself.

Interracial marriage has only been legal since 1967, good thing you are young enough to enjoy the right to marry outside of your race.

Furthermore, denying homosexual marriage, saying they should be happy with civil unions is no different than "separate but equal," which is unconstitutional, and any such law prohibiting homosexual marriage is also unconstitutional.

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"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."

"An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens."

-Thomas Jefferson

Where did you get the idea that there was no other races in the GOP?

This is an easy one to knock the hell out of:



Let's not forget Condi Rice ether.




Many a White Democrat would never even consider marrying a black much less adopt one into their home.....like I have.

We've been married since 78'.

I've helped bury some of her brothers and sisters and helped to raise one of their kids. I really don't need someone preaching racism in America to me.

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"These two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis,"

"The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies,

the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." - Rep. Barney Frank (D)

Black Republicans come under attack constantly in the press.

Democrats often call them Oreos, Uncle Toms, Sell-outs.

It's as if they feel blacks should be Democrat or nothing.


My wife voted in the primary....told the woman polster she was voting Republican and the woman (who was black) punched up the Democrat ticket.

It took a while for her to get it across to this woman that she indeed was voting Republican.

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"These two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis,"

"The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies,

the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." - Rep. Barney Frank (D)

Not what I said, but I knew you'd hoped I did.

And what do you base this theory on?


Congratulations.

Well apparently someone does, even if I'm not qualified to do so.

You're not the first to claim that blacks are still upset about slavery.

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"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."

"An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens."

-Thomas Jefferson

Yes, it is what you said.




Like I said. I don't think you have any right to preach to me about racism in America, but you insist on doing so....

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"These two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis,"

"The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies,

the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." - Rep. Barney Frank (D)

True, although I'm not sure why. Plenty of other racist Democrats did.

He was not pushing a liberal (note the proper spelling with lower-case L, unless you're talking about certain political parties in other countries) stereotype, and you were the one pushing a historical fallacy, in that it does not take into account changes in both of the major U.S. parties since the 1950s. It makes no more sense than to call today's Russians Communists, or to call today's French believers in absolute monarchy.

Are you saying that the Southern Democrats in the latter 1800s and most of the 20th Century weren't obstructionists and Segregationists?

Are you saying that Segregation wasn't in the south up until the civil rights movement?

Are you saying that civil rights wasn't the idea of Republicans like Abraham Lincoln and that Southern Democrats didn't fight it tooth and nail and several groups of them formed the KKK which were used to scare blacks and Republicans into keeping silent about civil rights?

Can you say that racism and bigotry is exclusive to the GOP and that Democrats today haven't been calling Michael Steele and Condi Rice Oreos and Uncle Toms?

Can you contend that Hillary didn't say that she was going to get the white vote implying that whites won't vote for a black?

Can you say that Obama didn't mean working-class whites when he stated that they cling to their religion, their guns, and their antipathy towards other races because they are bitter?

Am I to assume that nobody from the Obama camp has said or merely implied that Obama will change America because he hasn't been corrupted by power like rich whites have?

I wasn't pushing a historical fallacy, I was just repeating what was historical fact. Too much time and effort has gone into changing history that the truth has become purely subjective now.

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"These two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis,"

"The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies,

the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." - Rep. Barney Frank (D)

I never said that there aren't racists and bigots in the GOP.

That's not the issue.

What is the issue is the Dems insistence that they haven't any racists and bigots in their party.

They jump on every false word of the GOP but attempt to cover up and ignore their own.

There is a double-standard at work here. Racism is rampant in the black community. It is a simple fact, but the Dems cut them slack on it.

After all of the revelations of Obama's racist former church and racist associations they still support him. They wouldn't ever in a million years cut a Republican the same slack. They continue to support Obama because it solidifies the black vote and because many of them have similar attitudes as Rev. Wright. They actually believe what he says.

If McCain or any Republican had friends and advisers like Obama has they would hound him unmercifully into quitting.

It wouldn't be hard. They got Howard Dean to give up just by playing his scream over and over and over again.

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"These two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis,"

"The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies,

the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." - Rep. Barney Frank (D)

That much is true. BUt you need to parse "white", ala orientals, indians etc.

I would also add that, its a platform and ideological issue. The gop has a or had a small gov. hands off outlook when it came to things like affirmative action, certain types of help made available etc. in short I don't think they ever felt that the range of advantages attached to the black race was beneficial and refused to play the game. So that block of votes is closed off to them.

The democrats locked up the black vote early on. The key here being if the gop fell in line and treated the situation and the race is the same manner as the dems, they would cross over, in effect a race to buy their vote. I think after a generation one should ask just how successful the litany of prgms has been.

Bush got a better turn out from the blacks than the previous 2 rep presidents. Weird. But he also refused to go to the usual naacp shindig as he was roundly abused by their leadership when he had gone before. He didn't attend in 2004, got waylaid for it, but. Why go submit yourself to abuse for no apparent gain?

The situation now is, the black vote is monolithically attached at the hip to the dems, there is little headway to be made.

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Obama-e fungis nati homines....

The Democrats, like the Republicans, have many racists and bigots in their party. Any group that claims millions of members is, inevitably, going to have racists and bigots. You, however, seem to think that because a minuscule percentage of people happen to be racist, that an entire party must be more or less racist than another party.

The Democratic party has a long, shameful history of racism and bigotry. I don't think anyone is denying that. But comparing the Democratic party of today with the Democratic party of 150 or 100 or even 50 years ago is completely useless. The only things that remain the same about the parties are their names. Hell, 150 years ago, the Democrats were the steadfast champions of state's rights and the Republicans fought for a strong, necessary federal government.

And, yes, there is racism in the black community. And, yes, many Democrats, including myself, cut them at least more slack on it than we do racist whites. Yes, there is a double standard. But it is no different from many of the double standards that exist today. I, personally, feel that the establishment of Israel as a form of reparations for the Holocaust is completely justified. However, many who agree with me on that issue would scoff at the idea of recognizing that much of black racism stems from experiences similar to that of the Jewish people. In all fairness, the blacks got a bit of a raw deal, in my opinion. And the natural response to that argument of, "Well these blacks never even saw the atrocities of slavery," is really no different than suggesting that young Israelis shouldn't be allowed to live there because they never saw the atrocities of the Holocaust.

I think many members of the black community would at least like white people to recognize that the sins committed years ago still have an everlasting effect on their lives today. Maybe you don't think that's true. If that's the case, then at least we know where we disagree.

Mudwhistle, I don't think you're a racist, at all. But I do think you suffer from a severe case of racist-paranoia that far exceeds anything I've ever experienced in the black community.

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"The nice part about being a pessimist is that you are constantly being either proven right or pleasantly surprised.”
- George Will

Are you trying to say now that the Dems don't have as many or something like that?

95% of blacks are voting for Obama. Blacks make up around 17% of the total US population. I would say that there is around 40% of America Democrat and about 40% Republican and the rest of the 20% is independent.

Now if 95% of the Black Democrat voters make up 17% of the total votes which works out to about 16.15% of the total votes in America going Democrat. What percentage of 40% is 16.15%? That works out to 56.15% of Democrats are voting for Obama because of his race. That's a large percentage of Democrat voters. That doesn't even include all of the other minority voters who are voting for him because he's black. I would say conservatively that at least half of Democrat voters are voting for Obama purely because of his race. That comes to about 25 million voters conservatively. That isn't a miniscule number of people voting for a man according to his race.

Iraq has 25 million people.....

Democrats voting for Obama because of his race would be like an entire country voting for the guy not because he's good or experienced....but just because he's black.

Racism is defined as thinking someone is better or should be favored over someone because of their race.

It looks like the Democrats have their fair share of racists in their ranks.

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"These two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis,"

"The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies,

the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." - Rep. Barney Frank (D)

you forgot the sec of state of ohio who got 12% of the black vote for bush in 04...

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