Oh....

I forgot to mention all the whites in WV and KY that went 2/1 for Hillary.

They could be racists too because Obama labeled them so.

All those people with their religion, their guns, and their antipathy towards others.....

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"These two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis,"

"The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies,

the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." - Rep. Barney Frank (D)

Organized martyrdom.

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"These two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis,"

"The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies,

the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." - Rep. Barney Frank (D)

I think first we have to differentiate between the degrees to which you think race is a factor in the voting patterns of American blacks. I'm not sure where you would rank it, but I would probably put it as a percentage considerably lower than 20%. I think most blacks consider the Economy, Health Care, the War, etc. far more important than they do the color of Obama's skin.

Long after Obama had entered the presidential race, in early 2007, Hillary had the black vote locked up. Even as late as October 2007, Hillary Clinton led among black Democrats 57% to 33% [Poll: Black support helps Clinton extend lead). Did Obama's race change at some point between October 2007 and today?

I think it's more fair to say that many blacks favor Obama, much in the same way that many women favor Clinton, in the sense that they feel some kind of deeper connection toward his/her candidacy. I presume that many blacks, especially young blacks, feel like an Obama presidency would represent unquestionable proof that this country is capable of electing a president of any race. You may consider that racism. I do not.

It's not really all that different from members of the military voting for a veteran, or members of a certain religion voting for a candidate that belongs to the same religion. I don't see it as being about race.

If your logic was accurate, and blacks voted based on race, then it would logically follow that black Republican candidates were garner large percentages of the black vote, which, to my understanding, they do not.

Now, I suspect you're going to turn this from a "Well blacks are monolithically voting based on race" to a "Well blacks monolithically vote for Democrats" argument, but the latter is quite different from the former. And I'm confident that the latter is not based on racism.

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"The nice part about being a pessimist is that you are constantly being either proven right or pleasantly surprised.”
- George Will

#1) When has Obama ever labeled someone a racist? That claim is completely unsubstantiated.

#2) 22% of West Virginia voters claimed that race played a part in their vote. 80% of those that made this claim voted for Clinton. (West Virginians Choose Clinton as Race Plays a Larger Role) You can interpret that however you like.

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"The nice part about being a pessimist is that you are constantly being either proven right or pleasantly surprised.”
- George Will

They do not because the fix has been in for decades now, as I explained, earlier. I would say the 93% may be off. I cannot imagine only 7% of blacks consider conservatism at its base so antithetical to them themselves. But then again, it depends on the candidate and what they think will get.

Its not so much about race per se, its maintaining the status quo. The mechanisms accrued to African Americans and the fact that Michael Steele would not play that game for instance. Given a lib African American, he will garner 93% of the vote. I bet in the general, it will come in around 88% or so. That’s still in and of itself a fantastic number in the sense of what that say about that electorate.

But even if we assume that 88% of blacks vote Democrat, I'm still not sure where the criticism comes from. I understand that many in the GOP would like to get that kind of support from a certain demographic, but many (not you specifically) seem to act as though this voting pattern is some kind of flaw in either the black community or the Democratic party. If the GOP had (and maybe they do) a demographic that feels such loyalty to them, I'm sure they wouldn't consider it a flaw on the part of that demographic.

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"The nice part about being a pessimist is that you are constantly being either proven right or pleasantly surprised.”
- George Will

I consider it a flaw, I have said so before, if lets say my Sicilian buddies at our club told me, 9 of 10 they were voting gop, I'd think something was fishy.

I just don't get what's so fishy about it. Lots of blacks like Democrats. Lots of guys like boobs. It is what it is.

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"The nice part about being a pessimist is that you are constantly being either proven right or pleasantly surprised.”
- George Will

ya but they don't lap dances or booby rubs for nothing, those dollar bills gotta be at hand...

and lets be clear, this didn't start yesterday......its been decades. Yet, the mantra is, the grass has not gotten greener, if it were me and I have been monolithically tied at the hip, and was totally on the outs with the results of years of supposed help, as we are reminded every single day, I'd take my game somewhere else.

But that’s not what this is about and we both know it. The plantation is alive and well unfortunately.

He was talking in San Francisco about working-class whites.

What do you think antipathy means?

How do you want to interpret antipathy?

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"These two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis,"

"The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies,

the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." - Rep. Barney Frank (D)

Well....it seems the Dems have been showing their boobs to blacks and telling then that Republicans don't have any.....

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"These two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis,"

"The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies,

the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." - Rep. Barney Frank (D)

It's amazing how many white Obama supporters want to say white is black and black is white.

Ask any black what makes Obama a better candidate they will tell you that he's black......and he represents change.....but fact is he doesn't bring any change other then his race.


America is not a color-blind society yet you're telling me it is.

You claim I'm wrong then you prove I'm right.

Military voting for military, christians voting for christians, Muslims voting for Muslims,

and Blacks voting for a Black.......racist to the core.

Looks like, according to your rational, the primary reason to vote for Obama with blacks is he's black.

In DC they voted for Marion Barry even though he was caught buying coke.

In New Orleans they voted for Ray (Chocolate City) Nagin even though he oversaw one of the worst screw ups in mayorial history before, during, and after Katrina.

Why did blacks insist on voting for these losers?

Because they were black.



Black Republicans aren't considered by blacks to be black....they're Oreos, or Uncle Toms. Traitors......



Detriot is one of the worst run cities in America and they have a mayor who is involved in various scandals and is currently under indictment.

He's black.

Wanna take odds on if he gets re-elected if he is allowed to run again.

Seems race is more important to blacks then anything else to include effective leadership.

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"These two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis,"

"The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies,

the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." - Rep. Barney Frank (D)

What party brought those issues to the ballot box, hmm? That's right the Grand Old Party. The GOP has used them time and time again to get out the vote.

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"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."

"An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens."

-Thomas Jefferson

The only way he wouldn't be reelected is if he was running against another black person. He's a lock against any white person - except maybe 'America's first black President", William Jefferson Clinton. Oh, wait, my bad -- Maya Angelou took that one back......even "Bubba" is just another cracker.

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"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to
change it." -- Barack Obama

We are in the Primary election season, not the General Election.

Democrats against Democrats. Republicans against Republicans.

Democrats have been landing the haymakers against each other.

The Republicans have been on the sidelines for the last few months watching the carnage.

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"These two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis,"

"The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies,

the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." - Rep. Barney Frank (D)