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Maya Angelou took that one back.
Not to be a stickler, but I think it was Toni Morrison. What, you think all black people look the same? J/K

Clinton as the First Black President
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About Obama being black:

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First Arab American As Putative Dem Nominee!

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Obama's father's birth certificate lists himself as 87 percent Arab, 13 percent black/african. Barack's mother was 100 percent caucassian, meaning that Barack is 43 percent Arab, 50 percent white and 6.5 percent black. Yet, the press is trumpeting the Obamanation as an African American (black) nominee, rather than an arab american nominee (why?). While it is true that the Obamanation is an African American the same way that Jean Fraude Carrie's wife is an African American, he is not a black African American, the same way Ms. Heinz Carrie is not a black African American. Indeed, the Obamanation has less black African American history than Tiger Woods. It seems a bit racist to say that the Obamanation is black African American, cause, that would seem to indicate that even miniscule amounts of black family history makes one black (like the Nazis said, even a drop of Jewish blood makes one Jewish, the liberals in the media seem to say that only six drops of black blood (per hundred) makes one black.) Very interesting times we live in.
Anyone have photographs of any celebrations going on in the West Bank/Gaza over the Obamanation's claim to victory?
Or will they wait to see that he wins, before they pop the champagne corks?
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He's not really that black. He's more white then anything, but if you want to assign an ethnicity to him he's more Arab then black.
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He's not really that black. He's more white then anything, but if you want to assign an ethnicity to him he's more Arab then black.
I've heard of questionable sources before, but this one takes the cake, really, you didn't.

Considering that his birth father was born in Kenya, last I checked Kenya isn't an Arab country...
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The reason that black people support the Democratic Party in such high percentages is because black people are disproportionately lower-income and disadvantaged, and the Democrats have set themselves up as the party of the working class against the rich. (Not altogether true, except compared to the GOP.) Even those black people who are not lower-income either have been in the past, or emerge from African-American communities including a lot of people who are. Also, the history (past and present) of slavery, segregation, and official and unofficial discrimination gives black people in this country a natural inclination to take the part of the economic underdog.

Given all that, for a black person to be a Republican almost always requires that he be, not only financially successful, but also willing and inclined to sever himself emotionally from the African-American community and from the history of black people in this country. Since only a relatively small minority of African-Americans fit that description, the lopsided support is not very surprising, or shouldn't be.
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I think we can pretty much predict how the response will play out.
Well let's examine the facts;

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1) He did not renounce the doctrines of the church.

2) He did not denounce the church as racialist.

3) He left the church citing that he was going to have every word from church officials connected to his name not because the church was steeped in racialism and racialist conspiracy theories.

4) He did this as he was taking heavy heat during his run for the presidential nomination.
What conclusion should I draw from the above facts?
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What conclusion should I draw from the above facts?
Since you don't seem even the least bit satisfied with his both denouncing Rev. Wright and resigning from the church, I think it's probably suffice to say you won't be satisfied until he burns that church to the ground and pisses on the ashes. Even if he denounced every word that has ever been spoken in that church, I have absolutely no doubt that you wouldn't give him any credit for doing so and would simply state that he is only doing it for political purposes. I'm curious, though I really could not care less about whether or not you think Obama's motivations are admirable, what exactly could Obama do to get you to forgive him for belonging to, what you refer to as, a "racialist" church? If the answer is nothing, then the issue, as I see it, is dead.
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Since you don't seem even the least bit satisfied with his both denouncing Rev. Wright.
Throwing a 20 year mentor under the bus when politics demanded such an event is hardly convincing; do you not find it odd that he left the church and turned on Rev. Wright ONLY when his presidential hopes came under heavy heat?

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I think it's probably suffice to say you won't be satisfied until he burns that church to the ground and pisses on the ashes. Even if he denounced every word that has ever been spoken in that church, I have absolutely no doubt that you wouldn't give him any credit for doing so and would simply state that he is only doing it for political purposes. I'm curious, though I really could not care less about whether or not you think Obama's motivations are admirable, what exactly could Obama do to get you to forgive him for belonging to, what you refer to as, a "racialist" church? If the answer is nothing, then the issue, as I see it, is dead.
1) If you bothered to read the "Black Value System" of the church you would know that the church is steeped in racialism.

2) He could renounce the doctrines of the church; throwing Rev. Wright under the bus is hardly convincing since he maintained membership in his racialist church after he did so...

He finally quit in the name of not wanting to be held to blame for the words of others not because he no longer supported church doctrine.
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BHO is bad because he didn't throw Wright under the bus. BHO is bad because he did throw Wright unde the bus. BHO is bad because he quit that church. BHO is bad, period, according to you. Why could that possibly be, Frank?
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Since you don't seem even the least bit satisfied with his both denouncing Rev. Wright and resigning from the church, I think it's probably suffice to say you won't be satisfied until he burns that church to the ground and pisses on the ashes. Even if he denounced every word that has ever been spoken in that church, I have absolutely no doubt that you wouldn't give him any credit for doing so and would simply state that he is only doing it for political purposes. I'm curious, though I really could not care less about whether or not you think Obama's motivations are admirable, what exactly could Obama do to get you to forgive him for belonging to, what you refer to as, a "racialist" church? If the answer is nothing, then the issue, as I see it, is dead.
Well, Obama has dug himself quite a hole with TUCC. Maybe he could join a White Supremacist Church? Ya know, as a counter-balance??
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CHICAGO (FAKENEWS) - After 20 years of membership in Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, where bashing whites was a weekly way of life, Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama announced that he was quitting Trinity and joining the Creativity Movement (formerly World Church of the Creator) in order to give equal time toward hating the black side of his heritage.
"I've disowned Reverend Wright. It's time to disown the black community."

"After listening to ministers in my church spew hatred and racism against whites for the last 20 years," said Obama in a recent press release, "I realized that I could not, in good conscience, continue to be associated with such an organization. This was a deeply personal decision, not based on political expediency. Except maybe a little, or possibly mostly."

"Still," continued Obama, "I realize that skipping church for a few weeks after 20 years of wallowing in anti-white racism is as feeble an act of atonement as Ted Kennedy giving a swimming lesson at the YMCA. Therefore I will balance all my previous hating of my mother's side of the family by joining a church that hates the inferior mud-races of my father's side."

Speaking from prison, Creativity Movement Reverend Matt Hale praised Obama's decision. "It's good to see a presidential candidate embracing the white, white light of truth. Although some of his ancestors have tried to sully this fine nation with crack, rap, and Affirmative Action, we in the Creativity Movement will assist him in embracing his superior white nature, and promise to never burn more than half a cross on his lawn."

Although some speculate that Obama will eventually throw the Creativity Movement under his campaign bus just as he's done with other inconvenient friends, family, and campaign workers, Obama assured reporters in a statement that "I could no more disown Reverend Hale than I could disown working, hard-working Americans. White Americans."
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I'm glad Obama left his church. Now we just need everyone else to leave their churches. Can't wait for a secular President, because these faith-based ones aren't doing anyone any good. However, wouldn't it be much better if Rev.Wright were going to the White House every day instead of James Dobson? Or Pat Robertson?
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.... wouldn't it be much better if Rev.Wright were going to the White House every day instead of James Dobson? Or Pat Robertson?
uh, no.
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2) He did not denounce the church as racialist.
Since there is nothing wrong with being "racialist" -- use of that word being a deceptive ploy on your part because the word resembles, but is not, "racist," and it WOULD be bad if the church were "racist" instead of just "racialist," but it's not -- why should he?

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Why not? What's wrong with Rev.Wright? It's not like he was saying anything different from MLK. He said things about America that are unflattering but true, and that makes him a wingnut? Don't get me wrong, I can't really stand religion, but there's nothing really that bad about Rev.Wright. He's far more sane than the right-wing fascist preachers.
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Since there is nothing wrong with being "racialist" -- that's a deceptive ploy on your part because the word resembles, but is not, "racist," and it WOULD be bad if the church were "racist" instead of just "racialist," which it's not -- why should he?
One can always tell when their opponents lack any substantial argument because the opponents have to poison the well and rely on personal attacks just to survive a debate.

1) "Racialist" and "racist" are two different words with two different meanings; just because I use the proper term in its proper context does not indicate deception but an honest presentation of the facts.

2) Right and wrong are a matter of perspective. I have no problem with black racialists working in the interests of their people but I will not rejoice in one ruling over a white majority population for obvious reasons though ultimately people deserve the government they elect...
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wouldn't it be much better if Rev.Wright were going to the White House every day instead of James Dobson? Or Pat Robertson?
It would be no worse and it would be no better...
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