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Old 06-04-2008
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Re: Obama Resigns Trinity Church

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Why not? What's wrong with Rev.Wright?
How about the fact he believes whitey created AIDS to infect his people in an act of genocide?
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1) "Racialist" and "racist" are two different words with two different meanings; just because I use the proper term in its proper context does not indicate deception but an honest presentation of the facts.
It would be an honest presentation of the facts if you didn't bring it up constantly as an intended slur on Obama. Since there is nothing wrong with him belonging (or formerly belonging) to a "racialist" church, the only way in which it can work as a slur on Obama is if the intent is to confuse the word with a similar word, "racist," which would indeed be alarming.

As for your suggestion about Obama "ruling over a white majority population," and concerns over his "racialist" background for that reason, a person would have to share your own racist views in order to find that any more of a problem than having a member of an evangelical church doing the same. Personally, I have more in common religiously with Obama than I did with Jimmy Carter, although admittedly that's not saying a lot.

If you want me to believe that you're honestly presenting the facts, stop using the word "racialist" in that context. Say instead that Obama belonged to a black Christian church; since all black churches are "racialist" you will imply the same meaning without the linguistic confusion. If the confusion is, as I believe, your deliberate intent, you won't do this; if not, you won't mind. Ball's in your court.

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How about the fact he believes whitey created AIDS to infect his people in an act of genocide?
That's not something wrong with Rev. Wright, it's merely a case where Rev. Wright is wrong. Since, if the government had done that, it would be very much in character and similar to other things that it has done in the past, there is nothing particularly wrong with his jumping to that conclusion. He's incorrect, but it's an understandable mistake.
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How about the fact he believes whitey created AIDS to infect his people in an act of genocide?
Well that isn't of his own mind. Meaning he didn't come up with that belief on his own.

That would be Dr. Boyd E. Graves.

Even if it is true, you wouldn't believe it.
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It would be an honest presentation of the facts if you didn't bring it up constantly as an intended slur on Obama.
How does the offensiveness (slur) of a comment negate the truthfulness of said comment; your statement is fallacious and outright silly.

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Since there is nothing wrong with him belonging (or formerly belonging) to a "racialist" church, the only way in which it can work as a slur on Obama is if the intent is to confuse the word with a similar word, "racist," which would indeed be alarming.
This is assuming that everyone shares your view of right and "wrong" which would be a megalomaniacal assumption to make on your part...

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As for your suggestion about Obama "ruling over a white majority population," and concerns over his "racialist" background for that reason, a person would have to share your own racist views in order to find that any more of a problem than having a member of an evangelical church doing the same. Personally, I have more in common religiously with Obama than I did with Jimmy Carter, although admittedly that's not saying a lot.
So any white person who is concerned about being ruled by a black man who was an active member of a black racialist church must be a racist himself...cute.

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If you want me to believe that you're honestly presenting the facts, stop using the word "racialist" in that context.
So you will believe me to be honest if I stop using appropriate honest language, terminology and titles in my accurate critiques of left-leaning blacks?

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Say instead that Obama belonged to a black Christian church; since all black churches are "racialist" you will imply the same meaning without the linguistic confusion.
This is a hypothetical and a hypothetical based on a sweeping generalisation.

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If the confusion is, as I believe, your deliberate intent, you won't do this; if not, you won't mind. Ball's in your court.
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That's not something wrong with Rev. Wright, it's merely a case where Rev. Wright is wrong. Since, if the government had done that, it would be very much in character and similar to other things that it has done in the past, there is nothing particularly wrong with his jumping to that conclusion. He's incorrect, but it's an understandable mistake.
As usual your arguments are most illogical; there is nothing particularly wrong about jumping to an incorrect conclusion? Do you understand how ridiculous your argument is here?
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Re: Obama Resigns Trinity Church

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Well that isn't of his own mind. Meaning he didn't come up with that belief on his own.

That would be Dr. Boyd E. Graves.

Even if it is true, you wouldn't believe it.
Do you buy what Graves propounds?
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Do you buy what Graves propounds?
Well it is believed that HIV AIDS is most likely to have come from a vacine, possibly for hepatitis B. So there is sufficient evidence that suggests that HIV AIDS is man made. That being said, the only hurdle left is whether it was deliberate or by accident. I can see where the conspiracy theories have a field day when you consider the primary recipients of hepatitis B vaccinations--at the time of the first cases they were gay men, and villagers in Africa.

I don't want to believe Graves, but it is possible, though less probable, IMHO.
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