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This makes perfect sense. The mega corporations that own all the media outlets are notorious for their left wing views
why does it have to make sense? Why are college professors overwhelmingly liberal? It doesn't have to make sense for it to be true.

I don't know about you, but If the editor of the NY Times is admitting that the NY Times has a liberal bias, I am inclined to take him at his word.
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why does it have to make sense? Why are college professors overwhelmingly liberal? It doesn't have to make sense for it to be true.

I don't know about you, but If the editor of the NY Times is admitting that the NY Times has a liberal bias, I am inclined to take him at his word.
I don't know about you but if all the broadcast and cable news outlets paid "independent military analysts" to give viewers the real story about Iraq and those analysts turned out to be pentagon stooges then I am inclined to take them at their actions.
As for the professors maybe conservatives just don't value education enough to teach.
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OK. The first three words, "when it sells", make a qualifying phrase. If that qualifying phrase is true, by rule, the subsequent phrase, "you bet", becomes true.
Just as I suspected. You have no alternate meaning to suggest. My reading of the meaning was exactly right.
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I don't know about you but if all the broadcast and cable news outlets paid "independent military analysts" to give viewers the real story about Iraq and those analysts turned out to be pentagon stooges then I am inclined to take them at their actions.
As for the professors maybe conservatives just don't value education enough to teach.
SO you are saying that the editor at the NY Times is a liberal stooge? Ok, I'll buy it.

As for professors being liberal - that is easy - those that can't do - teach.
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At any rate, your idea of the media as 'monolithic' is excessively simplistic. As I mentioned before, both journalists and politicians are in constant competition with each other, thanks to the values of free speech and checks and balances.
I said "relatively monolithic." And I meant relative to independent internet sources. I realize there is competition between news organs and between politicians. But I also recognize the competition is not aimed at seeing who can best serve the public but who can best deliver the message for the people who pay for election campaigns and broadcaster salaries.
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SO you are saying that the editor at the NY Times is a liberal stooge? Ok, I'll buy it.
I have no idea what this has to do with what I posted.

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As for professors being liberal - that is easy - those that can't do - teach.
Thank you for driving my point home so neatly.
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I have no idea what this has to do with what I posted.
Neither do I - that is why I used a question mark. We were discussing the obvious liberal bias in the MSM and then out of nowhere you start blathering about military analysts and stooges. You seem to have difficulty staying on topic.

At any rate, if you want to live in a world where you pretend that there is no left leaning bias in MSM in spite of dozens of studies to the contrary, and open admissions by dozens of MSM outlets that they are in fact left biased - that is your choice.
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Neither do I - that is why I used a question mark. We were discussing the obvious liberal bias in the MSM and then out of nowhere you start blathering about military analysts and stooges. You seem to have difficulty staying on topic.

At any rate, if you want to live in a world where you pretend that there is no left leaning bias in MSM in spite of dozens of studies to the contrary, and open admissions by dozens of MSM outlets that they are in fact left biased - that is your choice.
What I did was "blather" about the most recent (and well documented) right wing propaganda program engaged in by all the television news outlets. I also supplied a link. So keep coming with those opinion pieces but I will keep judging the media by what they actually do.
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Just as I suspected. You have no alternate meaning to suggest. My reading of the meaning was exactly right.
Nope. As I said, your initial inference, which is on record and here to remind you [emphasis mine],

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.... Your statement was in response to my post suggesting sarcastically that the mega corporations who own our media are known for their left wing views. Your statement implies those corporations display a liberal bias because "it sells". Things that sell do so because people want to buy them. That means the corporations are displaying a liberal bias because that is what the people want to buy. Perfectly clear. No problem....
I implied nothing rather I made a direct, five-word statement (and the qualifying portion of that statement you've completely ignored in this post above). This simple five-word statement you continue amazingly to parse to paragraphs upon paragraphs of drivel. For my subsequent statements to make sense to you (and it seems only to you that my five-word post can be turned into paragraphs upon paragraphs of drivel), you need to make some inference about an implication that never existed (except in your mind).

Application of Ockam's razor makes the simple solution that your inference is inaccurate. Which is cool, as you question the accuracy of your inferece in this post above.

But, as you said, it likely is too hard for you to grasp. Yet, you are a master of speculation, so continue. It's fascinating.
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Nope. As I said, your initial inference, which is on record and here to remind you [emphasis mine],

I implied nothing rather I made a direct, five-word statement (and the qualifying portion of that statement you've completely ignored in this post above). This simple five-word statement you continue amazingly to parse to paragraphs upon paragraphs of drivel. For my subsequent statements to make sense to you (and it seems only to you that my five-word post can be turned into paragraphs upon paragraphs of drivel), you need to make some inference about an implication that never existed (except in your mind).

Application of Ockam's razor makes the simple solution that your inference is inaccurate. Which is cool, as you question the accuracy of your inferece in this post above.

But, as you said, it likely is too hard for you to grasp. Yet, you are a master of speculation, so continue. It's fascinating.
So in other words you have no alternate meaning to offer and the one I assumed is in fact the correct one.
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So in other words....
No. I love your imagination, though.
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No. I love your imagination, though.
I responded to your post based on my understanding of its meaning. You made no attempt to deny that meaning until you had boxed yourself in with contradictory and nonsensical statements. Now you want to pretend you meant something other than what I assumed but you refuse (despite numerous requests) to provide that alternate meaning. You can either tell me what it is you really meant or just admit you stuck your foot in your mouth. But unless you do one or the other there is really no point to this any more.
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I responded to your post based on my understanding of its meaning. You made no attempt to deny that meaning until you had boxed yourself in with contradictory and nonsensical statements. Now you want to pretend you meant something other than what I assumed but you refuse (despite numerous requests) to provide that alternate meaning. You can either tell me what it is you really meant or just admit you stuck your foot in your mouth. But unless you do one or the other there is really no point to this any more.
Yes, I love your assumptions. You show such creativity in them. It's something to be admired.
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Yes, I love your assumptions. You show such creativity in them. It's something to be admired.
OK you win. I have no desire to try to figure out what it is you are trying ot accomplish or why it is you behave this way every time I try to discuss anything with you. I can't see any point in my reading or responding to any more of your posts. So you are free now to have the last word between us.
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This makes perfect sense. The mega corporations that own all the media outlets are notorious for their left wing views
So tell me, who are the CEO's of all the major media corporations and what are their views?
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