The moral of the story is, most black people wont say it but we are glad that we are now Americans rather than Africans.

Some, like Michelle, still hold racial tensions about something that happened 150 years ago. I bet she would be first in line to see white people have there land taken just because 150 years ago there were black slaves working the land, even if the land had changed hands and ownership. One white person is just as guilty as another I think would be foremost on her mind.

Like most liberals, Michelle is still living in the past and holds the white race accountable for every bad thing that has ever been done to the black race. But ignore the fact that black tribes sold slaves from other black tribes into slavery and that there were very few white owned slave ships the rest being owned by Spanish, Portuguese or Arabs.

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I say what many think but fail to say but would like to.

The practice of guessing the thoughts of others by placing yourself in their situation is not only common, it is a gift for those who capable of doing so. Call it empathy, if you will.

People do it all the time.

I've never been tortured in a foreign country while a certain leftist segment of the population called me and my kind terrible things and stayed more concerned with getting/staying high and getting laid than anything else. But it is very easy for me to figure out what that person likely feels/thinks simply by imagining myself in their shoes.

Ditto black chick.

I know that if I were an American Indian, I'd not be particularly thrilled about the past, in general, but would, all things considered, count myself (and my people) lucky that this particular nation (and its associated freedom) spawned atop my land. There are so many very real and very tragic alternatives. There are so many worse ways things could have worked out. I'd be sure as shit, though, that the scenario of "my people" gallivanting around on the happy hunting grounds, spear in hand to this very day is pure fantasy. If not the U.S. it would have been somebody/thing else.

And knowing those black individuals of whom I made mention as well as I did, I know for a fact that they were quite disappointed in what they beheld. It is one thing to see Sally "Fatass" Struthers on the late-night tube - quite another to see black skeletal people running around begging for scraps up close and personal. You'd never prod them for an answer to the question, "Hey, bet you're glad your great-granddaddy was brought to the U.S., even if it was as a slave, now...aren't you?" That's off the charts un-P.C. and, well, kinda rude if only because the answer is equally painful and obvious. No need to ask. I know exactly how I'd feel. I have no idea what some members of my ancestry went through to get to this country or what they might have suffered once they got here. I have no idea what prejudices they faced first hand. For me, regardless of how easy or hard it was for them, I am just simply glad that they ended up here - otherwise I might have ended up a garden-variety Euro-weenie living in an inferior country.

Of course, if you are incapable of having a real sense of what other people think and feel, I am sorry. We all have our handicaps, I suppose. Mine is extreme humility.

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"Compassionate Conservatism"?!?! That is a stupid phrase. Conservatism is inherently compassionate. It is liberalism that is cruel for the sake of maintaining a constituency.

It's kind of odd how you, Impugn and Steve seem to speak for each other.

It's even more odd that you would presume to speak for all black people and claim to know that they're secretly glad their anscestors were sold into slavery without having cited any instance where you actually spoke to a black person/friend who felt this way.

That's a pretty serious charge. You are essentially calling her racist against white people and claiming that she wants reparations for slavery.

Do you have anything to back that up besides your own musings?

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Screw Change!! Let's have a Seamless Transition of Power and Policy.. John McSame in 2008!

Nobody speaks for me. I can, and do, speak for myself...

Question #1

Answer: The idea that McCain, who served in the military, etc, didn't love his country beforehand is absurd. In this case, John clearly meant that being cut off from the US and incarcerated in a torrid environment gave him such a greater appreciation of all the valuable things both big or small in the US that people take for granted. Deprivation does that. I see this in incarcerated prisoners all the time just how much upon reflection and viewing their situation as compared to when they were free. In McCain's case it was worse because in the US many of the abuses and neglects he experienced wouldn't even be allowed for prisoners.

As for Michelle, the 'comment' is materially distorted. And it's been a common one due to politically motivated mischief intended to itch and trigger any and all 'Angry White' resentments/bigotries against blacks that such types are just dying for any excuse to vent (and likely vote upon) anyway.

Here is what Michelle actually said--twice actually--in the same day:

YouTube - Michelle Obama "Proud" vs "Really Proud"

It was a scripted speech she was giving all over WS on a daily basis, even repeatedly in different places on one day. She missed the 'really' before proud in one of the speeches when blowing through it and of course the jackals were ready to pounce on it, never of course interested in being honest about what the real deal was with her speeches. Canned speeches with multiple time and place pressured repetitions are rarely exactly the same on as speaker will take shortcuts, get a secondary memory laspe on the memorisation of each word, etc.

Here is what she said about it in full explanation once the mischief started with the McCains and Clintons:

YouTube - Michelle Obama Clears Up 'Proud of My Country' Response

Personally, I don't even care about whether she said 'proud' or 'really proud' because I got the context of what she was meaning anyway in the full context of what she was saying. The distortions' purposes are obvious and duly discarded.

Answer #2: Any attempted spin/strawmanning of McCain's comment to claim that he never loved his country before his POW incarceration or that Michelle wasn't proud of her country beforehand is just a politically motivated manipulation.

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Around 200,000 Irish immigrants served in the Union and Confederate armies in the American Civil War, often forming their own regiments and, at times, fought each other. At Fredericksburg, the Union’s Irish Brigade faced the Irish McMillan's Guards of Cobb's 24th Georgia entrenched in a sunken road behind a stone wall. Ordered to make a suicidal charge, it became one of the most famous events of the Civil War. The re-enactment portrayed in the movie Gods and Generals:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qVCxEupPag

Oh brother ...

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I don't get it though, like Impugn says the more we travel the more we appreciate our own land but in McCain's case the country left him to rot and it was the VC who wanted to let him go early and their mercy rather than our will to go in and get it him that showed, why that made him more loving of our country is somewhat parculiar but i suspect it came to him in the sense life in AZ isn't as bad as a torture camp across the other side of the world, i think its equal now that he's in DC.

FYI: The Hanoi Hilton was run by the NVA, not the VC.

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Meh. whichever way, seems strange to make him wanna love the country more when we basically left him to be tortured by them. I guess it would have been much worse if it was the VC.

Do tell. How exactly would the VC actually run a prison as opposed to the NVA?

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I am an American. That's the way most of us put it, just matter of factly. They are plain words, those four: you could write them on your thumbnail, or sweep them clear across this bright autumn sky. But remember too, that they are more than just words. They are a way of life. So whenever you speak them, speak them firmly, speak them proudly, speak them gratefully. I am an American. ...a tradition

Absence makes the heart grow fonder?

I don't think anyone abandoned him anyway.

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unfortunately lbs, she is an unknown and what got out there first was, the darker side of her, the unknown……I have read about her before I heard that blur and have since read more. White black matters not because, the material out there plus other statements that she has made points her as a ingrate. Now these were her words, the commentary is really of no consequence and I read whole statremenst not snippets that can be taken out of context, there by making it more difficult to get past her apparent, that’s apparent, well, what can I call it, the “pity poor exploited me" hood...

That’s not to say she doesn’t have valid and cogent pints, ala affirmative action and Princeton, she was in something of a skinner box, I get it, BUT its how she dealt with and articulated that experience, that frames my opinion of her. She extenuated the negative and had few words for the positive. Nor did it ever appear to hit her that someone stayed at home who could have gone, because she was, well, a minority. She bears any personal responsibility for that individual , but that would occur to someone who truly was enlightened , as she claims to be. It seems to me that some , some sign of gratitude would be called for.

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Obama-e fungis nati homines....

I cannot believe that after all this time you don't know that I am a black/jewish man. I can speak for my family and friends who are black that would rather be here in America than Africa. That is first hand knowledge. How? I have heard them say it themselves because I have asked. I can also say that not one, including myself, would have liked to witnessed or gone through what my ancestors did for me and other black people for us to enjoy being an American. But I can say that I am glad they did.

I also don't hold a grudge against white people today for what some distant relative did also 200 years that today white person could not control unlike so many liberal black people do. I have never held out my hand waiting for it to be filled nor expected someone else to take care of me.

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I say what many think but fail to say but would like to.

Or perhaps bias and suspicion in both cases, but in the former it coincides with logic.

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A federal judge ruled today that graphic pictures of detainee abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison must be released over government claims that they could damage America's image.

Someone should tell them that bad press can be prevented by not abusing prisoners in the first place. Censorship is only needed to preserve the good reputation of those who have tortured and/or murdered already.

You, sir, are a great American.

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"Compassionate Conservatism"?!?! That is a stupid phrase. Conservatism is inherently compassionate. It is liberalism that is cruel for the sake of maintaining a constituency.