This is about a month old, but I wanted to make sure that big bag of Chivas Teddy Kennedy didn't go tits up and render the discussion morbid. Call me Mr. Sensitivity.

Is there any doubt whatsoever (even from you honest-ish leftists here) that the national media would be screaming bloody murder if what I am about to describe took place within a GOP-controlled state?

Check it out...

Remember 2004 when Kerry looked like he might get elected? State of Massachusetts had a policy at the time that if a sitting U.S. Senator left office - as Kerry would have had to do if elected POTUS - the sitting governor was to appoint a replacement for the duration of the Senator's term.

That's right, F. John Kerry gets the POTUS, Governor Mitt Romney (Republican) would get to appoint his replacement.

The Taxachusetts State Legislature (leftist, of course) threw a fucking hissy fit and quickly changed the rules such that a "special election" would have to be held.

Fine. Whatever. Make a case about putting the decision in the hands of the people.

Flash forward to now[-ish]:

Speaker would back gubernatorial appointment of interim senator

Well, give the motherfucker credit for being honest (final quotes).

Katherine Harris follows the letter of the law and gets crucified. This here jackass champions flipping laws back and forth like a light switch and...[cricket noises]...nothing!(?)

I really don't mind this behavior, per se. If its legal, go for it. My hope is that the GOP begins to take the gloves off. But this was completely ignored by the national media. Look at all the national attention the media gave, for example, the redistricting of Texas (which was legal). The faggot Texas Democrats who ran away to Oklahoma were painted as some sort of goofball heroes, for Pete's sake.

Meanwhile, the GOP tolerates some crazy ass shit...and I don't know why. All rule-of-law type stuff that they take the higher road about at their own peril. They need to get nasty and crank up their own scream machines. All sorts of things shouldn't have gone down they way they did... Frank Lautenberg being placed on the ballot after the LEGAL deadline had passed - just because the guy who was on the ballot turned out to be a criminal. Joe Negron having to run under Mark Foley's name on the ballots (almost won, anyway). Jean Carnahan's dead husband allowed to "run" with her being "appointed" to fill the seat (one of the most "contestable" elections in history, but, as was his wont, Ashcroft had too much class to dispute it). The Tim Johnson and Paul Wellstone bullshit. Hell, the Nixon-Kennedy election, FFS...why isn't the fraud aspect of that election more "common knowledge"?

One of two things has to happen - and both of them begin with the GOP getting serious: Put the clamps down on Dem horseshit or do whatever it takes to beat them at their own game. What we're doing now ain't working. We'll know it is working when Democrat screams for more "civility" in politics hits a fever pitch.

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"Compassionate Conservatism"?!?! That is a stupid phrase. Conservatism is inherently compassionate. It is liberalism that is cruel for the sake of maintaining a constituency.

of course it was ignored because there is NO left wing bias you fool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


good pick up, slid by me....damn....



and hey you do remember that this isn’t the first time they have pulled this shit right? Back in 2002 The Torch Torricelli was in demand at the gray bar hotel shortly before the election, they appointed Lautenberg to run for him after the deadline for replacements had passed etc…..

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Yep...made reference to the Lautenberg shell game bullshit...

If I remember correctly, the jerkweed of a judge said something to the effect of, "the people of the state must be supplied with at least two good choices" in his ruling that allowed the NJ Democrats to replace Torch's name with Mummy Lautenberg's name after the deadline.

So, the laws in place don't friggin matter...the people must have "choices"...where was that judge (or one like him) in the case of Negron/Foley, then? The GOP laid down in both cases. Sickening.

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"Compassionate Conservatism"?!?! That is a stupid phrase. Conservatism is inherently compassionate. It is liberalism that is cruel for the sake of maintaining a constituency.

It's not really cheating... it may not be the most honorable of politics, but if you have the votes it's not cheating.

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really? I see, so, tell the borthere bloods to cut the 2000 bullshit.

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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
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sorry, am at work, didn't read your first note completely.

sure it a game, what I cannot understand is how stupid people in new jersey are, they pay what, the highest marginal tax in the country and they still, go with an old boy network honoree and elect a schmuck like Corzine...un real...they do deserve what they get.

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Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile....

English?

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"Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God."
Matthew 5:9

I can barely comprehend what anyone is saying in this thread.

But it appears to be another bullshit discussion about whose worse for America, the left or the right. Why are so many Americans completely brainwashed by the two-party system?

There is no conspiracy. The extremes on both sides pull shit in every state. From re-districting in Texas to what happened in 2004 in Mass. To try and pretend that one side is really worse than the other is a futile exercise.

George Carlin, bless his soul, said, "as long as ignorant and selfish Americans vote, we'll get ignorant and selfish politicians". We're them and they're us. Until a new third party of common sense comes along, nothing will change.

But we have to change from being whipped by our two-party system first, which has so many Americans brainwashed.

I can't bring myself to care too much about the political shenanigans of the people of Massachussetts if they don't affect me directly or indirectly. In fact I don't see how this affects anyone outside of MA. Could Impugn explain that to me?

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"I think—tide turning—see, as I remember—I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of—it's easy to see a tide turn—did I say those words?"—Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006

"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

The Democrat shenanigans currently affect a slim Senate majority. When Tim Johnson had his health problems, the MSM was all on top of the prospect that a GOP leader would be appointing his replacement under very specific rules should Johnson have to step down and/or die. This would have resulted in a defacto GOP Senate (VP with tie-breaking vote). The MSM even went so far as to suggest (via my "favorite" MSM tactic) that "some people say..." the GOP governor should appoint a Democrat to replace a Democrat out of the spirit of bipartisanship. Kumbaya and whatnot.

Where was the MSM outcry and calls for "bipartisanship" when Sen Heinz bit the big one in PA and the governor appointed a Democrat to replace him? Again...::crickets chirping::...

Name me an occasion where the GOP pulled some shit like without MSM rallying against it. You can't. The de-gerrymandering of Texas as some sort of example (districting that had ridiculously preserved a Democrat majority in the state legislature in what is clearly a Red State) doesn't wash because all major MSM outlets were shilling for the Democrats the whole time.

So, yeah, one is indeed worse than the other. The fact that you don't recognize that is testament to nothing but the effectiveness of the MSM (on some people, apparently).

Unfortunately, Massachusetts matters. They all do. They might be acting locally, but they're thinking nationally...if not globally. Shouldn't be that hard for you to grasp that concept seeing as people freely ascribe that mentality to just about everything else.

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"Compassionate Conservatism"?!?! That is a stupid phrase. Conservatism is inherently compassionate. It is liberalism that is cruel for the sake of maintaining a constituency.

If you're unable to see how a US Senate seat effects more that MA, I doubt anyone will be able to help you understand it.

Matt

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So do you want to talk about what happened in MA, or as many tangents as possible? And try to limit the number of wild assumptions about my politics to just 1 or 2 per post. It's hard to keep track.

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Is our children learning? -George W. Bush

"I think—tide turning—see, as I remember—I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of—it's easy to see a tide turn—did I say those words?"—Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006

"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

In 2004 the Senate already belonged to Republicans. So if Kerry stepped down and was replaced with a Rep, nothing would have changed. The current gov of MA is a Dem, so if Ted Kennedy dies he will be repleced with a Dem. So again, how would this affect anything now or then?

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Is our children learning? -George W. Bush

"I think—tide turning—see, as I remember—I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of—it's easy to see a tide turn—did I say those words?"—Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006

"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

Every seat counted then and counts now. It is an election cycle. It was in 2004, too. Incumbents tend to win (Harris Wofford was an exception)...so the appointee is very likely to retain the seat. There was no guarantee then and there is none now that Senate control will stay unchanged beyond the election cycle.

Even if we're not talking about actual "control", single votes currently are the difference between Senate actions making cloture or not...the difference between the Democrats having free reign to fuck shit up or not.

That is how it matters.

The GOP either has to start fighting back ferociously (instead of giving a shit if the MSM paints them as being "partisan" and/or "mean", etc...) and arresting these types of Democrat actions or start playing the game the same way with the same disregard for what is "right" (forget about "legal") that the Democrats have reliably exhibited. That is my point.

Interesting that you skipped past the Tim Johnson example, though.

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"Compassionate Conservatism"?!?! That is a stupid phrase. Conservatism is inherently compassionate. It is liberalism that is cruel for the sake of maintaining a constituency.

First of all, can you stop calling people faggots? It's lame and you don't know who posts here. Second, you're way off base. Heinz passed away in 1991 so your arguments about the "MSM" are a little bit off base as we didn't have th 24 hour news cycle that we have now. Nor did we have the horrible pundit hacks that we currently see on the air making everything into a huge drama. There was actually, surprising, alot more civility in our political coverage on BOTH sides back in 1991. I might also add that your thread title "Democrats Cheat" is super childish and makes me think of a 8 year old kid crying to his mom about some mean boys who pushed him or something. I think the threat title you're looking for is "Politicians cheat." In the meantime I'm going to start working on my bridge construction project, you know, so you can get over it.

Oh and if you think the Republicans are not guilty of gerrymandering districts to keep power, particularly when they chop up African American populations to dilute the vote then you are even more naive than I thought. And that's saying something.

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