he did? he crashed, he crashed, he crashed, he was involved in a huge inferno tha killed 135 sailors, destroyed several aircraft and nearly sank an aircraft carrier and he was shot down...

is that what you call capable?

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9/11 Commission Finds Ties Between al-Qaeda and Iran - TIME

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hmmmm... I read somewhere that he was hit after he made the run, not during, and that his wing had been blown off... be kind of hard to continue on the bombing run with only one wing...

I too will search for that link...

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On one hand, when it comes to that interview I sort of agree. But on the other hand, I think it's kind of nice to note that Dems are very humble and gracious about giving McCain his due for serving in the military and for the horrors that he faced.

I think it's gotten kinda sick where politics in America have come, and I think John Kerry was unfairly treated by a lot of people for his bravery in Vietnam.

I think if John McCain had the same story that Republicans would be all too happy to shove it down everyone's throats but be prepared to kick anyone's ass who disagreed. And that's the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Republicans will kick your ass if it's the right thing to do, and they'll kick your ass even if it's the wrong thing to do, pretty much either way, while Democrats will, I dunno, feel bad about getting attacked and respond too late. Kerry just missed his opening 4 years ago. By attacking his military cred, the other side served him up a juicy fat pitch and he didn't park it.

I'm not saying the Democrats ought to do it, but if I were Karl Rove working the Dem side, I'd probably swiftboat McCain on getting shot down in the first place, and then being weak and actually caving into his captors when they made him say that America had committed atrocities over there. That's kind of horrible in it's own way, but I'm wondering if Rove would've gone there had it been Kerry's story?

Take a breath, stripey. Or should I get a paper bag for the hyperventilation you are exhibiting?

I guess it's good to know that McCain's military experience has the radical libs concerned to such a point of frenzy.

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John McCain made the assertion... who chimed in with OBL's son is in Iran as proof of it using a link that was four years old?

why that was YOU!

are you now saying that Iran is NOT training Al Qaeda even though McCain thinks they are?

Praise Gawwwwd... I believe he has seeeeeeeeeeeeen the Light...

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recent link... you played that one yesterday... recent as in this year... as it recently that McLame made the claim...

got one?

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Who's breathing hard? certainly not I with the likes of the opposition here... you guys are pushovers compared with some of the opponents I have faced on other boards...

Another right winger calling anyone left of their far right position a liberal... ok... I'll accept that label even if I am only a left leaning centrist cuz cuz, there have been some mighty fine liberals who have lived through the ages...

Jesus for instance... and it always amazes me that right wingers say they hate liberals and then claim they are Christians...

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Wow. This thread might just set a record for biggest frothy partisan piddling contest in recent memory.

141 posts dancing around a simple question.

"Does John McCain have Military Leadership experience"

Plainly, the answer to the question as phrased is "yes". He was a commissioned officer in the US Navy. He was, by definition, in a leadership position.

The rest of the thread is just silly, IMHO.

Matt

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Horseshit.

It's specualtion from someone who supported one of McCain's opponents...

To requote the requotes of Cheney:

SO?


what else do you have to do? where else do you have to go? if it is too long for you to read, try a different thread...

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see my above post to Matt...

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No, I provided evidence that Iran has provided training to al Qaeda thru their surrogate Hezbollah, as was confirmed by the 9/11 Commission. That’s a far cry from “Iranians training Sunnis to kill Shias”. Only you and Pogo were making that strawman argument.

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Yup, John McCain has military experience. Obama does not.

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And setting a record for partisan piddling at this, or any other political forum, is really saying something.

Congratulations to all involved in showing why this country is going down the tubes and why "we the people" can't make any significant impact of the problems that afflict this once great nation.

While the bickering continues, nothing has been done about public education, illegal immigration, the outsourcing of jobs, our dependence on foreign oil, our national debt, the looming social security/medicaid crisis, or health care costs.

No, none of these issues matter. It's all about arguing over which party is the worst of two evils.

Your party is worse than my party.

rah, rah, rah.

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