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View Poll Results: Does John McCain have Military Leadership experience?
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Re: Right Wing Media Myth #2: John McCain has Military Experience

here's a little something from one of the right's favorite sources...

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John McCain: No 'Torture' for 9/11 Mastermind
Sunday, Nov. 6, 2005


...snip

McCain's claim that torture doesn't work is also contradicted by his own story.

In a 1973 account he gave "U.S. News & World Report," McCain recalled how his plane was shot down over North Vietnam, with the crash leaving him severely wounded.

After the North Vietnamese captured him, he said his captors slapped him around for "three or four days."

On the fourth day, McCain said he called for an officer and said, "O.K., I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital."

In his book, "Faith of My Fathers," McCain continued the story:

"Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate my medical treatment if I did not cooperate. Eventually, I gave them my ship's name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant."
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Re: Right Wing Media Myth #2: John McCain has Military Experience

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here's a little something from one of the right's favorite sources...
Yet, John McCain has military experience. Obama does not.
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Re: Right Wing Media Myth #2: John McCain has Military Experience

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To requote the requotes of Cheney:

SO?


what else do you have to do? where else do you have to go? if it is too long for you to read, try a different thread...

I see you have 1,800 posts.

Let me guess, 1,799 of them are on this thread.

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Re: Right Wing Media Myth #2: John McCain has Military Experience

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Fourth from the bottom... or fifth, whatever...

I would call him Ensign McCain and assign him to a supply depot or a destroyer... I would not give him the best job in the navy... jet fighter pilot...

would you want that doctor who finished last in his class to perform a liver transplant on you right out of med school?
Yes, assuming he also did his residency and met the other requs for his job. I dont beleive medical schools let doctors out if they havent demonstrated their skill. Likewise, I dont beleive the Navy graduates officers unless they have met the performance requirements.
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Re: Right Wing Media Myth #2: John McCain has Military Experience

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The republicans think his years in captivity gives him that experience.
For example?
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Re: Right Wing Media Myth #2: John McCain has Military Experience

This one is interesting too in that it disputes the cause of his first crash...

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Will `Ace' McCain Flame Out Again?

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Robert Timberg, author of The Nightingale's Song, a book about Annapolis graduates and their tours in Vietnam, wrote that McCain "learned to fly at Pensacola, though his performance was below par, at best good enough to get by. He liked flying, but didn't love it." Timberg counts himself a friend of McCain and has written a McCain biography.

It wasn't long after arriving in Pensacola that McCain racked up the first of his five crashes, beginning in 1958, on his way to becoming a "reverse ace." As told by Timberg, "McCain was practicing landings; his engine quit and he plunged into Corpus Christi Bay. Knocked unconscious by the impact, he came to as the plane settled to the bottom."

There was, however, no engine failure with the aircraft. According to one of McCain's former flight instructors, "The engine was removed from the aircraft that afternoon, mounted on a test stand and a new propeller installed. [It] was flushed with fresh water and started. It ran just fine. So the theory of engine failure was proven false."

The instructor added that McCain was "positively one of the weakest students to pass our way, and received consistently poor marks and a number of Dangerous Down grades assigned by more than one instructor. He had no real ability and was clearly out of his element in an airplane, and way over his head even as a junior naval officer."

...snip

"John McCain," says another Navy pilot and acquaintance of that era, "was the kind of guy you wanted to room with -- not fly with. He was reckless, and that's critical when you start thinking about who's going to be the president," The old pilot laughs, and then continues: "But the Navy accident rate was cut in half the day John McCain was shot down."

...snip

But a Navy insider notes that "after every such incident an inquiry is conducted to conclude the cause of the crash. If it were anyone other than the admiral's son, his wings would have been pulled. But that's where that kind of father comes in handy."

"Thank God not all pilots are like McCain," jokes another pilot, "or the government would be buying a hell of a lot more planes."
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Re: Right Wing Media Myth #2: John McCain has Military Experience

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This one is interesting too in that it disputes the cause of his first crash...
Yet, McCain has military experience. His opponent does not. This is not too big of a deal to me, but I see it's a very big deal to radical libs.
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Re: Right Wing Media Myth #2: John McCain has Military Experience

ok... found it...

if you recall, ThorHammer posted this earlier:

Here is an excerpt from his Distinguished Flying Cross citation

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"Although his aircraft was severely damaged, he continued his bomb delivery pass and released his bombs on the target. When the aircraft would not recover from the dive, Commander McCain was forced to eject over the target."

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Prisoner of war
Dan Nowicki, Bill Muller
The Arizona Republic
Mar. 1, 2007


...snip

Hanoi was well-defended against air attacks. As McCain approached his target, Russian-made surface-to-air missiles the size of telephone poles filled the sky. Suddenly, his instrument panel lit up. A missile had locked on to his plane.

McCain dropped his bombs and began to pull up. Then, a missile sheared off his right wing, sending his plane spinning toward earth, out of control.

...snip
According to a bio written in his home town newspaper, he dropped his bombs BEFORE he was hit by the missile that sent his plane spinning out of control and down in flames.


So how come the Distinguished Flying Cross citation said otherwise?

very perplexing...
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Re: Right Wing Media Myth #2: John McCain has Military Experience

Gee, the way I read it, his own newspaper is saying that he does, indeed, have military experience.
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No, I provided evidence that Iran has provided training to al Qaeda thru their surrogate Hezbollah, as was confirmed by the 9/11 Commission. That’s a far cry from “Iranians training Sunnis to kill Shias”. Only you and Pogo were making that strawman argument.
and your hero, John Mccain...

I have not made that claim, I have merely asked for proof of it... which of course, since it isn't true, you have NOT been able to find one...

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Yup, John McCain has military experience. Obama does not.
SO?

having some military experience does not equate with having sound judgement when it comes to commanding forces...

but I guess to you, that is all that is neccessary... some experience...
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and your hero, John Mccain...

I have not made that claim, I have merely asked for proof of it... which of course, since it isn't true, you have NOT been able to find one...

Well, that's a winner, isn't it? You ask for proof of something you claim and know is not true. Then you pat yourself on the back for showing there is no proof. Congrats.

Oh, and McCain has military experience.
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I don't think he is qualified to be commander in chief based on his military experience. That's my point.
I would not know, but I do know that if we are really discussing if there was preferential treatment, we'll never know. Do I believe there was, of course, in some way shape or form, does it matter ? Not really. They needed aviators, there was a war ramping up, he might have had a string pulled or him to get him there and so what? He doesn't appear to have had any mishaps in flight school....what are you trying to prove ?
That a guy whose daddy owns the co. gets treated better, well blow me down....no shit. Do I think he may have escaped an iffy crash investigation maybe, sure its possible. Again, so what?

If you are trying to belittle his efforts and what it took to get home half way sane, and that’s were you were going, I say bullshit but it has little to do with his electability or lack of it….and again so, what, They gave Shoop an MOH for sitting in a bunker on Tarawa….I can name a whole laundry list of the 2 highest the DSC and MOH given out for cause not exact individual actions, so friggin what? This has to do with what?


Looking at your other posts, I never ever said that alone was worthy of a voite by itself, go back and read my response to Gracchus.

A POGUE is Marine shorthand for the Armys remf, and yes, I have seen the elephant. So what?

If you cannot see a difference between kerrys situation and McCain’s its because your partisanship won’t allow you to. And here’s a clue, it has ZERO to do with their service in country.
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Re: Right Wing Media Myth #2: John McCain has Military Experience

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SO?

having some military experience does not equate with having sound judgement when it comes to commanding forces...

but I guess to you, that is all that is neccessary... some experience...
If you wish to say "so" about an answer to the subject of the thread, why the apoplexy about it from you?

Frothy partisanship over something you care little about says otherwise.

Clever ruse.
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And setting a record for partisan piddling at this, or any other political forum, is really saying something.

Congratulations to all involved in showing why this country is going down the tubes and why "we the people" can't make any significant impact of the problems that afflict this once great nation.

While the bickering continues, nothing has been done about public education, illegal immigration, the outsourcing of jobs, our dependence on foreign oil, our national debt, the looming social security/medicaid crisis, or health care costs.

No, none of these issues matter. It's all about arguing over which party is the worst of two evils.

Your party is worse than my party.

rah, rah, rah.

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psst... Norrin... this is a political forum... we discuss politics here... that's what it is for...

but if you really want to make a difference, you could always run for office in your own locale...

If I lived in Akron, I might vote for you, too, considering you sound quite reasonable... but alas, I do not.

Good luck, tho.
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