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View Poll Results: Does John McCain have Military Leadership experience?
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Re: Right Wing Media Myth #2: John McCain has Military Experience

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Only someone suffering from a profound level of mental retardation would conclude that his military experience is lacking...
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Saying John McCain has military experience is like saying George A. Custer had military experience.
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Re: Right Wing Media Myth #2: John McCain has Military Experience

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I don't think many people are denying what McCain did in Vietnam. I think - correct me if I'm wrong - the question is whether his "war hero status" (or something else) qualifies him to lead the US Armed Forces.
And I think thats been answered. He does have military experience, he does have military leadership experience. Therefore as presidents go he is qualified.
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And I think thats been answered. He does have military experience, he does have military leadership experience
And given his experience, he should have no trouble leading US troops into POW camps.
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And given his experience, he should have no trouble leading US troops into POW camps.
Why cant you just add something constructive?
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Why cant you just add something constructive?
JVIEHE, meet Solletica...
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Re: Right Wing Media Myth #2: John McCain has Military Experience

Well, of course his Military Service and experience doesn't give him the ability to lead the US Military into a war...

BUT since when is the President Leading the Military?
Correct me if I am wrong... but that is something the Military does by itself with a top -> down hirarchie,no?

4 Star Generals or Joint Chief of Staff... I dunno... but the Potus is not like Stalin messing up 1941... or Hitler messing up the war... we talk about.

He gives basic instructions and it gets complicated when he meddles to much with the presented plans...

So the question that is important in my opinion is:
Is John McCain reasonable enough to listen to the advice from people who know what they are doing?


I guess his "War Hero" Status will definatly grand him some respect from within the military... and perhaps his experience of serving in the military for quite some time gives him a better communicative relationship with the current leadership of the US military (some or many who began their carreer during the Vietnam war)


The next question is:
Is this Military Aspect really that important? As I said... the most important thing for a Leader is the ability to listen to multible sources of advice and make a decision based in reality that benefits the people of the nation in the best way... even hard or unpopular decisions...

I think McCain could have this ability... since he is quite controversal for many right wing republicans who call him TOOOO liberal...
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Re: Right Wing Media Myth #2: John McCain has Military Experience

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11429.html

Some on left target McCain's war record

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The highest voltage third rail of this presidential campaign may not be race, sex, or age, but Senator John McCain's military service.

McCain's campaign Sunday issued a pair of outraged statements after retired general and Barack Obama supporter Wesley Clark said he didn't think that McCain’s service as a fighter pilot and prisoner of war was relevant to running the country. Obama has consistently praised McCain's service, and called him "a genuine American hero."

But farther to the left—and among some of McCain's conservative enemies as well—harsher attacks are circulating. Critics have accused McCain of war crimes for bombing targets in Hanoi in the 1960s. Sunday, a widely read liberal blog accused McCain of "disloyalty" during his captivity in Vietnam for his coerced participation in propaganda films and interviews after he’d been tortured.
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Re: Right Wing Media Myth #2: John McCain has Military Experience

So, at lunch today, Obama gave a speech backing up McCain, as a result of his advisor Wesly Clark criticizing McCains service.

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS.../clark.mccain/

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/V...5275833&page=1

Of course, Obama turned it into a speech about himself, defending against critiques that he isnt a patriot. Is he trying to bring himself up to McCains level, who was a TRUE patriot? There just isnt a comparison here.
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Re: Right Wing Media Myth #2: John McCain has Military Experience

Weasley Clark has said having your plane shot out from under you doesn't qualify you for the commander in chief slot.

Didn't JFK have a boat shot out from under him?
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Re: Right Wing Media Myth #2: John McCain has Military Experience

although it seems intuitive that military leadership would lead to a better commander in chief that doesn't really play out through history.

I may be mistaken but I'm pretty sure that Lincoln, Wilson, and FDR had no military experiance but they succeeded in leading our country through three of the biggest wars in our country's history.

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Re: Right Wing Media Myth #2: John McCain has Military Experience

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Weasley Clark has said having your plane shot out from under you doesn't qualify you for the commander in chief slot.

Didn't JFK have a boat shot out from under him?
LOL Good one! You definitely get points for that!
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Re: Right Wing Media Myth #2: John McCain has Military Experience

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Weasley Clark has said having your plane shot out from under you doesn't qualify you for the commander in chief slot.

Didn't JFK have a boat shot out from under him?
Was he qualified when he first took office? I don't think Krushchev thought he was, when Kennedy bungled their first meeting and the Soviet leader got a false impression that he was dealing with a weakling, and so was encouraged to put nuclear missiles in Cuba.

The point Clark was making was that being a war hero does not in any way qualify a person to do the job of president, and is really irrelevant except as a general statement of character. And yes, that was just as true of Kennedy as it is of John McCain.
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Re: Right Wing Media Myth #2: John McCain has Military Experience

It is quite obvious that McCain has more military leadership experience than Barack Hussein Obama.

McCain spent 5yrs in a POW camp in service to his country. What has B. Hussein Obama sacrificed for his country? That's right not a damn thing.
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