McCain is a veteran, the ranking member of the Senate Armed Services Committee and an Ex-Officio member of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. Of course he has military experience; to suggest otherwise is plainly ignorant. Obama is a complete neophyte with no military experience whatsoever beyond his position on the department of Veterans Affairs. Wes Clark is a party hack who is still bitter about losing his 2004 Dem bid to Kerry.

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And until very recently he thought that Iran was aiding al qaeda.

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Gee, that couldn't be because OBL's son is reportedly hiding in Iran, could it?

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One mnore timmmmmmeeeeeeeeee…..I used kerry as an example to make larger point, regards attitudes, the military and what passes for experience that they ( you know the voting public, what we are discussing, politics) will rely on absent “real” experience. Its about what PEOPLE FEEL as in the POLIITICS and the PUBLIC trust, they are naturally going to trust someone who has severed before they trust someone who hasn’t plus add in life experience etc. …jesus Christ. If you read the whole statement and instead of looking to pick it apart to attempt to win debate points I think that’s clear. Read my very first statement again ….I never claimed he had any…..theres your "myth"...

One more timmmmme what I described is how the military as brought into the forum by Kerry became a loser for him. You missed the point also regarding kerry and what was really the issue regards swift boat etc..it wasn’t so much the adds with the guys standing there saying what they said, it was kerry HIMSELF IN HIS OWN WORDS ( do I need to make this point again) saying what he said , and well? People are not going to forgive that. Especially since it came out long before kerrys run that the winter soldiers there charges etc. were to a large extent frauds, many of the catalysts in that org., didn ‘t even serve in Vietnam etc…Like it or not those are FACTS and they helped sink Kerry, so from a political stand point is was a loser. It appears you are as tone deaf as Obama is, if he makes this an issue, it’s a dead done loser…

Regards your comment of having names and bearing witness, I guess as a lib its just de rigueur, smear an entire organization during the conflict, evidence is no longer necessary in the court of the lib public opinion, I should have remembered that. No- no names no places no evidence just bombastic hearsay and thats good enough? Since when? Obama sat before a jackass hater for 20 years and we cannot even get you to admit he must have known what this guy stands for and was about, please huh.

Let me let you in on a not so secret secret, Officers most especially are treated harshly for offences like this, even the mere smell of a cover up ala Haditha can get your ass before a court martial, one of the preeminent duties of any officer to report and attempt to stop any actions he described, Calley was excoriated not just because of the events but because as an officer he is supposed to be smarter, college, officer candidate school, a gentleman , better disciplined and high caliber than those in the Enlisted ranks.
I don’t know if those guys who did make the commercial were telling the truth or not BUT since some of them DID serve with him, that’s a great deal more evidence than you have of some topical “atrocity” spun for the congressional cameras….

If you are trying to make a case that Obama and McCain are on even keel regards military experience OR experience dealing with the military etc., man oh man, Please, get out of school, go live some life please. I’ll talk to you in 15-20 years, we’ll see how you feel then.

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Why don't you flesh that out a bit and provide a credible source or two. Stratfor would certainly be acceptable.

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--Hunter S. Thompson

And for all that "military experience", he still thought invading Iraq was a great idea, he still thought it would be a cakewalk, he still thought it would be over in a couple of weeks.
So why would we want all that "experience" if it just leads him to make poor decisions?
Obama didn't have that kind of "experience" and yet he opposed the invasion of Iraq, Clarke's point is that we need a president with good judgment , and based on the record, Obama has shown better judgment than McCain.

The GOP is trying to sell us a '72 Pinto with 300,000 miles on it, based on the argument that it has "more experience" than a new car.

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But he did crash four aircraft that were under his control and a fifth was destroyed while he was waiting to take off... is that what you call competent?

I don't.

Seems to me, that any other pilot would have been grounded after the second or third crash... not John "I'm the son of a four star admiral" McCain... his connections kept him flying just as his connections got him into fighter pilot school in the first place.

I don't know about you, but I am not convinced that a midshipman who finished fourth in his graduating class at Annapolis was qualified to become a jet fighter pilot... fourth from the BOTTOM that is...

John "I'm the grandson of a four star admiral" McCain is an elitist whose parents and grandparents obviously pulled strings to get him his wings and pulled more strings so he could keep them.

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Will Time magazine do?

9/11 Commission Finds Ties Between al-Qaeda and Iran - TIME

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Yep... the elitist McCain has more experience in uniform than Obama... true... no doubt about it...

But to quote Cheney...

So?

He has no command experience and his exploits as a pilot leave a lot to be desired...

then there is his morality... divorcing your wife and marrying your mistress a month afterwards may be sound family values to many republicans, but they aren't to me.

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yes there’s a lot of truth to that, regards his dad and granddad... I have not read all the particulars on each "crash etc"...you have a good source?

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Obama-e fungis nati homines....

psst... Ike already had two terms as president... and besides, more importantly, he is dead...

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Are you trying to claim that a General in the Army has less military judgement than a hot dog pilot in the navy?

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now I think you're getting lost in the vitriol, how many mission did he flew stripey?

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Obama-e fungis nati homines....

and this is germaine to the discussion of McCain's military credentials, how?

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He was only in 3 aircraft that crashed; one due to engine failure, one due to a flameout, and one due to enemy fire. As for the aircraft destroyed while he was waiting for take off, that was due to a accidental rocket discharge from another aircraft across the deck. There was nothing he could have done about that.

None of these incidents show that he was incompetent.

That is because you have no idea what you are talking about.

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