Unless, as was pointed out, mechanical failure was determined to be the cause of 2 of his 3 (THREE) crashes. The 3rd was enemy fire.

Do you have any proof of this besides the single fact that his father was an Admiral?

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1) fourth from the bottom or fifth, who cares, he wasn't qualified to be sent to flight school based on his academia achievements... he went because his daddy pulled strings to get him into flight school and then pulled more strings to keep him in the air after crashing the aircraft under his control...

you people may like elitist children getting preferential treatment because their fathers are well connected politically, but I don't.

2) 20 hours... not exactly what I'd call a lot of experience... but maybe your standards are lower than mine...

3) Good.

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dan rathers got an old navy document I bet............

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yeah, took a while for the page to load... but once it did, I noticed it was dated in 2004... that was 4 years ago... wonders if Cyd has anything more timely... say from THIS year...

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Again, where is your proof that "daddy pulled strings"?

You have yet to provide any example of his father intervening on his behalf.

He flew 23 missions over North Vietnam before being shot down. That means he flew into combat 23 times against well defended positions. Also, given the nature of where Yankee Station is located, I doubt the 20 hour figure.

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We are at war with forces too terrible to comprehend. We cannot afford mercy for any of its victims too weak to take the correct course. Mercy destroys us; it weakens us and saps our resolve. Put aside all such thoughts. They are not worthy of those in the service of country.

ok... it is time for me to go visit my mother...

but ah'll be bahhk... and then we'll continue forth on this, as it is one of my fav new topics...

count on it...

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Cool man. Have fun with your mom. Catch ya later.

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We are at war with forces too terrible to comprehend. We cannot afford mercy for any of its victims too weak to take the correct course. Mercy destroys us; it weakens us and saps our resolve. Put aside all such thoughts. They are not worthy of those in the service of country.

You're right. There isn't as much as half a degree of separation between the Iranians training al Qaeda and the Iranians training Hezbollah to train al Qaeda, but I did say almost.

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All of the discussion about the details of McCain's military background, the one he actually has, is not germane to the issue. He could have been the reincarnation of Audie Murphy, or the biggest fuckup ever to disgrace the Navy; he could have been an all-star student at the Academy or an advertisement for the evils of nepotism; and it wouldn't make the least bit of difference in terms of the question of how much military LEADERSHIP experience he has -- which was the poll question.

The fact is, he has none, not even as much as someone of comparable rank in the Army would have. He has never commanded men serving under him in combat, let alone been responsible for commanding an army or the general strategy of a war.

Of course, very, very few people have. Barack Obama certainly hasn't, either. He has no more military leadership experience than McCain does. But also, he has no less. Less "military experience" -- that's true. But less military leadership experience? No. Zero equals zero.

Corp is absolutely right. Experience dealing with national security issues in a position of responsibility is not a reason to vote for McCain over Obama. In fact, there are only two distinctions to be made between the two men in that regard:

1) Which one has preconceptions and values that you feel are more appropriate to the situation we find ourselves in today?

2) Given that either one of them is going to have to learn this aspect of the presidency on the job, which one is more likely to be a quick and capable study?

Ummm, he commanded an attack squadron after he was released by North Vietnam. He also led flights from his squadron on raids into North Vietnam before he was shot down. So to say that he has no military leadership experience, even combat experience, is totally false.

He, obviously, has plenty of military (and combat) leadership experience.

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We are at war with forces too terrible to comprehend. We cannot afford mercy for any of its victims too weak to take the correct course. Mercy destroys us; it weakens us and saps our resolve. Put aside all such thoughts. They are not worthy of those in the service of country.

What do they call the guy who graduates last in his medical school class?

Doctor. Are you ready to assume that since he was fourth in his class he is somehow less of a naval cadet than anyone else?

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Eh, my bad. Let me modify.

He has very little military leadership experience, and he has no flag-level or army-level military leadership experience, nor experience in responsibility for creating or executing strategy.

I'll stand by the rest of what I said. It's still not relevant whether he was a hero or a fuckup, and this is still no reason to vote for him over Obama (or vice-versa).

Well, you might as well be saying that Iran is supporting al qaeda's attacks against the Shia in Iraq, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

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Im still waiting on some evidence that the media is propating this. I cant help but think this all sounds familiar to the criticism level at the Swift Boat Veterans and others who were told they werent allowed to criticize Kerry on his service. The hypocrasy of the left is astounding.

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Elminate all taxes on income and replace with a national sales tax.

They certainly play both side of the coin.

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