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View Poll Results: Does John McCain have Military Leadership experience?
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Re: Right Wing Media Myth #2: John McCain has Military Experience

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I doubt any amount of evidence would change your opinion. At a glance, it may seem absurd, but absurd is status quo when it comes to Middle Eastern politics.
Why do you say that when I stated that I neither deny nor accept without first seeing the evidence upon which the finding is based?
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Why do you say that when I stated that I neither deny nor accept without first seeing the evidence upon which the finding is based?

Because you take many other positions with much less substantiating evidence.
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Because you take many other positions with much less substantiating evidence.
Such as?
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Re: Right Wing Media Myth #2: John McCain has Military Experience

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oh dude come on, I am tired ...for god sakes figure it out….
I've figured out that McCain can't differentiate between Sunni/Shia/al-qaeda instead he uses them interchangebly. That's really disturbing to me and it's exacerbated by the fact that he touts his foriegn policy credentials. Is this the sort of "figuring out" you wanted me to make?
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Such as?

Too far off topic.
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Too far off topic.
That's convenient.
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Re: Right Wing Media Myth #2: John McCain has Military Experience

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I've figured out that McCain can't differentiate between Sunni/Shia/al-qaeda instead he uses them interchangebly. That's really disturbing to me and it's exacerbated by the fact that he touts his foriegn policy credentials. Is this the sort of "figuring out" you wanted me to make?
I agree. It's totally disturbing that he doesn't know who's who and what the allegiances are elsewhere in the Middle East.

The other thing that really pisses me off is that all these people who were so easily duped by Bush in the runup to Iraq didn't even know there were three entirely different sects of people there.

McCain being a military guy is fine with me; it's that he's the dumbest kind of military guy who only knows how to follow orders and only listens to what he wants to hear.

And this numbskull idea that McCain will somehow keep America safer by occupying the Middle East indefinitely makes no sense whatsoever. It is the meddling over there that caused 9/11 in the first place.
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I've figured out that McCain can't differentiate between Sunni/Shia/al-qaeda instead he uses them interchangebly. That's really disturbing to me and it's exacerbated by the fact that he touts his foriegn policy credentials. Is this the sort of "figuring out" you wanted me to make?
uh huh yea good job you got it...
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Re: Right Wing Media Myth #2: John McCain has Military Experience

He had about the same amount of experience that John F. Kennedy had and more combat experience.

I don't like the guy but he's a damned sight better then Obama when it comes to leadership skills.

He's not a braggart and he doesn't have a Messiah complex.
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Re: Right Wing Media Myth #2: John McCain has Military Experience

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I think he’s on record, as to his bias in the issue, And I dont' think its much an issue. Is anyone really arguing McCain hasn't limited practical command experience.

The republicans think his years in captivity gives him that experience.
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thx..I do agree that as an admirals son he gets passes and all that entails. But I wasn't sure of the particulars, its appears he didn't need a pass, and the reference to the crashes was bias driven.
do you believe in your heart of hearts, that a midshipman who finished in the lowest portion of his graduating class deserved to be assigned to the most elite arm of the navy?

why?

He should of been assigned to any number of ordinary but useful positions... jet fighter pilot wasn't one of them...

It's obvious to me he got preferential treatment...
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It's obvious to me he got preferential treatment...
Or that the Navy at the time was hurting for aviators. Could be any number of things.

Either way, he turned out to be a very capable aviator and combat pilot.
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Re: Right Wing Media Myth #2: John McCain has Military Experience

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Did you read the original post to start this thread?

The OP said.........

Yet take this exchange between MSNBC "liberal" journalists and Ret. General Wesley Clarke who calmly, rational explanation of why McCain actually DOESN'T have serious military experience. Watch as the supposed "liberal media" attempts to defend McCain.

I am just asking if Mika Brzezinski is actually a liberal, or not.

It appears that she does lean pretty hard to the left, but considering she has a brother as an adviser to McCain and another brother as an adviser to Obama, how liberal is she? Obviously her families political leanings may, or may not influence her, but I do find it very interesting that the Brzezinski family has advisers for both candidates.

Looks like her family will benefit, no matter which candidate wins the election and the family will be able to influence the president, whether it's Obama, or McCain.

I do give her kudos for refusing to report on Paris Hilton. That was pretty cool. Something that I would have done if I were a journalist.

What many people fail to realize, is that even liberals will often give a break to someone in power. The liberal media gave many breaks to Bush concerning the Iraq war, which some people misinterpret as right wing bias. It is not right wing bias, it is supporting a president in a time of war. It is not wanting to be called UN-AMERICAN.

of course I read the TO... I believe I commented on it too..

I also question the authenticity of calling corporate media liberal... and who gives a rat's patootie who the interviewer was, what her credentials are and who her daddy is...

well, I suppose you do, but I don't.

As it's what the General says that is important, not who the interviewer was.
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Re: Right Wing Media Myth #2: John McCain has Military Experience

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Not defending McCain's flight record (like everyone else here, I don't have the knowledge base to do so), but it seems extremely petty and partisan to try and hold this against him:



It's not like the pilots on an aircraft carrier get to decide where they will stage to await launch. And it's not like McCain was responsible for the rocket launch.

Sadly, partisanship overwhelms reason in our politics now. This "my team" rah-rah that substitutes for political discourse would have made the founding fathers puke dayglo.

Matt
here's another look at the Forrestal accident, one that is not so favorable towards the hot dog pilot in question...

John McCain and the USS Forrestal Fire (see photos): Did He Start The USS Forrestal Fire?
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Again, those incidents do not paint the picture of an incompetent pilot. Of those 5 "crashes" you brought up (and that are reference in that site) only 3 are actually crashes: two owing to mechanical failure, and one to enemy fire. Of the other two: he clipped a power line while flying low (but didn't crash), and for the other he was sitting in his aircraft on the flight deck when ANOTHER aircraft had a malfunction and discharged rockets into this plane.
Most pilots are grounded when they lose aircraft even when it isn't their fault... a pilot with four star admirals as father and grandfather, was not... do you see any preferential treatment here?

I do.
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