Right Wing Media Myth #2: John McCain has Military Experience - Page 9 - U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum

TheStripey1 · #**121** (**permalink**) 06-25-2008

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Originally Posted by TSGracchus

Eh, my bad. Let me modify.

He has very little military leadership experience, and he has no flag-level or army-level military leadership experience, nor experience in responsibility for creating or executing strategy.

I'll stand by the rest of what I said. It's still not relevant whether he was a hero or a fuckup, and this is still no reason to vote for him over Obama (or vice-versa).

but what is funny, TSG, is that all of these nice folks who are defending mccain's record are discounting General Clark's assessment of McCain's qualifications... and as we all know, General Clark does have command experience.

TheStripey1 · #**122** (**permalink**) 06-25-2008

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Originally Posted by jviehe

Im still waiting on some evidence that the media is propating this. I cant help but think this all sounds familiar to the criticism level at the Swift Boat Veterans and others who were told they werent allowed to criticize Kerry on his service. The hypocrasy of the left is astounding.

The hypocrasy of the right is astounding considering how gleefully they attacked John Kerry during the '04 election cycle. And to think, John Kerry was actually on the ground in Viet Nam while John McCain flew over it...

Steve · #**123** (**permalink**) 06-25-2008

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Originally Posted by CorpMediaSux

People are using his military experience in Vietnam as a justification that he's better on national security issues. The question then has to become, does he have any experience LEADING military operations. No. Does he have experience formulating national security policy. No. So in and of itself "experience" can't be used as an argument for McCain on national security. The media and National Security Voters should be challenging McCain on the rationale behind his national security platform rather than merely accepting because he was in the military and was tortured that somehow means he knows anything about the military.

This is such bullshit.

The guy was in the Navy for 23 years. He retired as a Captain. He was a Commanding Officer. He'd been selected to receive his star, but opted to retire.

Experience most certainly can be used as an argument for McCain...

TheStripey1 · #**124** (**permalink**) 06-25-2008

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Originally Posted by CYDdharta

They certainly play both side of the coin.

Link? let's see the one that says Iran is training sunnis... got one?

Norrin Radd · #**125** (**permalink**) 06-25-2008

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Originally Posted by TheStripey1

of course I read the TO... I believe I commented on it too..

I also question the authenticity of calling corporate media liberal... and who gives a rat's patootie who the interviewer was, what her credentials are and who her daddy is...

well, I suppose you do, but I don't.

As it's what the General says that is important, not who the interviewer was.

That's fine, you are entitled to your opinion.

Of course, I tend to agree with the admitted liberal, city editor of the NY Times who admitted how liberal his paper is, as well as every study ever done which shows that the mass media, excluding FOX and the top rated radio shows, is dominated by liberal bias.

The BBC admitted it has a liberal bias on politics and religion.

There have been other admissions as well as university studies which show the liberal bias in the vast majority of the mass media.

Right Wing Media Myth #1

Feel free to go to the thread above and continue this discussion.

All thinking people know there is a liberal bias in the media. Just look at a few key issues, gun control and gay marriage are 2 issues where I have never seen a conservative slanted story on either. Not once, not ever. Every single story I have ever seen from the mass media on these two issues has been HEAVILY slanted to the left.

This is just one example, but I am tired of trying to show liberals how liberal the mass media is. They simply can't see the liberal bias, because they are agreeing with what is being said, so how can there be bias?

I find it ALMOST funny how MOST liberals see the bias at FOX news, which is quite obvious, but are unable to see the bias from CNN, or the NY Times, or any of the other major networks......when it is obvious as well.

TheStripey1 · #**126** (**permalink**) 06-25-2008

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Originally Posted by Imperator

hurry back man, I cannot wait, we definitely need more bias ill informed posts here.

another insult?

tsk tsk tsk... and here I thought the mod staff here was above that type of behavior...

I guess I was wrong...

what do you want, more rah rah john mcbush is great posts?

TheStripey1 · #**127** (**permalink**) 06-25-2008

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Originally Posted by AjaxPress

Despite McCain's experience with the military he still uses incredibly bad judgement when trying to talk about foriegn affairs.

not John bomb bomb bomb Iran Mccain... he is the perfect choice, doncha know...

TheStripey1 · #**128** (**permalink**) 06-25-2008

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Originally Posted by CYDdharta

Are you denying the 9/11 Commission’s findings that Iran’s surrogate Hezbollah provided advice and training to al Qaeda? No one, aside from you, said Iran was assisting al Qaeda attack the Shia.

uhhh... how about John Mccain?

TheStripey1 · #**129** (**permalink**) 06-25-2008

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Originally Posted by jviehe

Its a fact that he does have Military Leadership Experience. He was an officer in the navy, which means he led people, in the military. So, anyone who answers no must think that he wasnt an officer in the navy. I suspect its just a badly worded poll, however.

to requote the requote of Cheney:

SO?

TheStripey1 · #**130** (**permalink**) 06-25-2008

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Originally Posted by AjaxPress

What exactly does McCain know about foreign policy though? Yes he's been around for a while but since he touts his experience as though it makes him some kind of expert I'm deeply troubled by his inability to tell the distinguish who the players are in the War on Terror and what roles they play.

McCain's domestic policy and ideas aren't that great either.

he's an old codger... of course he has more experience than the younger man... but does he have better judgement?

I think not...

TheStripey1 · #**131** (**permalink**) 06-25-2008

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Originally Posted by Imperator

Relatively simple of you wish to take a few minutes, the reports that came out , about 4 months ago, the translations of the mounds of documents we got in Iraq .....the report whose name I have forgotten have the info within, I posted it here 2-3 times....on other threads etc. transportation funds, munitions help regards bomb building etc.

Muyhniah ( I am crucifying this guys name) the T who got blown up in Damascus 6 moths ago, was one of the dudes who worked with AQ etc.

just because you posted a link on another thread doesn't mean you get a pass here... most of us aren't US Politics subscribers... which means we don't get to access the archives like you do, so pony up impy...

LINK?

and obtw, the link Cyd put up was four YEARS old... got one a little more recent?

TheStripey1 · #**132** (**permalink**) 06-25-2008

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Originally Posted by CYDdharta

I doubt any amount of evidence would change your opinion. At a glance, it may seem absurd, but absurd is status quo when it comes to Middle Eastern politics.

How about a recent link saying the Shias in Iran are training Al Qaeda to kill the Shias in Iraq... surely that should be easy for you since you continually make that claim...

TheStripey1 · #**133** (**permalink**) 06-25-2008

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Originally Posted by AjaxPress

I've figured out that McCain can't differentiate between Sunni/Shia/al-qaeda instead he uses them interchangebly. That's really disturbing to me and it's exacerbated by the fact that he touts his foriegn policy credentials. Is this the sort of "figuring out" you wanted me to make?

probably not...

he probably wanted you to figure out that mccain is qualified based on Impy's recommendation that he is...

CYDdharta · #**134** (**permalink**) 06-25-2008

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Originally Posted by TheStripey1

Do you honestly believe the Iranians are training Sunnis to kill Shias?

You and Pogo were the only ones making such an assertion.

TheStripey1 · #**135** (**permalink**) 06-25-2008

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Originally Posted by mudwhistle

He had about the same amount of experience that John F. Kennedy had and more combat experience.

JFK commanded a PT Boat with a crew... Mccain flew a jet, solo...

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