But not everyone sees policy the same way. It ought to be pretty obvious a LOT of people don't share your opinion of Obama's policy positions.

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Not a day goes by that I don't see something that reinforces my belief that people are idiots.

That's true. Did you see the excellent John Adams series on HBO? The funniest scenes was where he and/or his wife Abigail would read the kinds of vicious and sneaky attacks and hit jobs (anonymous letters in Publius, etc, much like anonymous emails today) made on him by enemies such as Hamilton, with guys like Jefferson even secretly paying for them. They were also quite successful (especially in failing to get re-elected POTUS) and played a part in why he isn't as well elevated in the national remembrance as those who smeared him.

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people say they don't like fights in hockey too.

we've never been better than that and we never will be and the people don't care as they realize that all they ever get is screwed. so they accept little victories and attend to their real lives, raising kids, faith, recreation and the things that make up life.

no HBO but I've got the book

we'll see...

I think a lot more people don't know what those positions are. that will change so we'll see what people think once they're informed.

As usual the obamabots run to his defense.......Obama isn't guilty of a goddamn thing...he is pure as snow (mixed with shit)....next we will see the same people who claim they are all about free speech calling for talk radio to be banned or made fair. Boo frickin hoo.......then the obamabots talk about smears then go on to smear those they are whining about smearing obama....kind of hypocritical....?

next they will be calling me a partisan when they are too damn blind to see their own blind partisanship.

LS, you are partisan to the hilt..one of the worst partisans on the site. You're calling me an 'Obamabot' in schoolyard fashion and I didn't even vote for the guy in the primary. Moreover, you're exactly the guy who smears the very kind of nonsense in question of which Obama speaks as per all the threads you start and posts spreading it. The 'bot' here is you.

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I made a mistake by quoting you (see edit) but I see you are not beneath a schoolyard yourself so we will call it even.

But if you cannot see for yourself, as others see you, why are you always looking over then negative Obama press and always passing blame off as smear attacks against Obama?

You used to be even handed but here lately you have become blind to your own partisanship. Sorry to have to be the one to tell you. But it the truth. There is no longer the Bere the even headed, but now a person that foams Obama conspiracy smears on every breath.

You're not looking very hard for refutation then. There was a LOT of refutation when they started their smears.

Washington PostThe Seattle TimesThat's just a couple of the many links I have. I'm using a cranky laptop tonight so I don't have the time.
But my favorite story (from USA Today) is:
Anti-Kerry book author sorry for slurs
WASHINGTON (AP) — One of the authors of a new anti-John Kerry book frequently posted comments on a conservative Web site describing Muslims and Catholics as pedophiles and Pope John Paul II as senile.

But as he prepared to launch the book, "Unfit for Command," Jerry Corsi apologized for the remarks in an interview with The Associated Press Tuesday, saying they were meant as a joke and he never intended to offend anyone.

In chat room entry last year on freerepublic.com, Corsi writes: "Islam is a peaceful religion — just as long as the women are beaten, the boys buggered and the infidels are killed."

In another entry, he says: "So this is what the last days of the Catholic Church are going to look like. Buggering boys undermines the moral base and the lawyers rip the gold off the Vatican altars. We may get one more Pope, when this senile one dies, but that's probably about it."

Corsi, who described himself as a "devout Catholic," said the comments are being taken out of context. "I considered them a joke," said Corsi, who owns a financial services company and has written extensively on the anti-war movement.

In a March posting, Corsi discussed Kerry's faith, writing: "After he married TerRAHsa, didn't John Kerry begin practicing Judaism? He also has paternal grandparents that were Jewish. What religion is John Kerry?"

Kerry and his wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, are Catholic.

"I don't stand by any of those comments and I apologize if they offended anybody," Corsi said.

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Not a day goes by that I don't see something that reinforces my belief that people are idiots.

Obama's comments in Jacksonville were sarcastic, a cheap shot sure, a play on stereotypes; and man-o-man have you and the Limbaughs jumped all over it, despite it only being the punchline.

Then you attempt to associate Obama with complete radicals; sheesh, you take one off handed sarcastic remark and try to paint Obama as the boogie man, playing on the fears of uneducated white people.

Which I guess is alright, since you are only part white, if my memory serves me.

So you didn't get Obama's joke, or if you did, you were offended. How are Iranian Americans supposed to feel about a Presidential candidate who jokes about mass murdering Iranians? "... bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran ..."

That is a whole lot more inappropriate than playing on stereotypes. Obama trying to start a race war? You've got to be kidding, or seriously delusional. Is McCain trying to start a war with Iran?

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-Thomas Jefferson

It not one remark, it a long line of remarks made by him, his wife, his preacher, his friends........for only one remark as you claim, why are you liberals always running to defend what Obama or someone close to him has said that is racial? Oh that right, the Obama smear conspiracy. Everybody is out to get poor ole Obama.......

He has a long history of radical racial remarks....read his book then tell me why half of his life he claims he mistrusted white people when his own mother, grandparents are white?

That just doesn't sit well with most people.

Really? All the hockey fans I know say they love the fights.You mean idiots? In that I agree.

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Not a day goes by that I don't see something that reinforces my belief that people are idiots.

Refutation requires PROOF. So we are back to where we started. T. Boone Pickens offered $1 MILLION for PROOF of even ONE LIE by the swift boat vets - TO DATE THERE HAVE BEEN NO TAKERS. Why do you think that is? If JF Kerry has proof that he was lied about by these veterans, why wouldn't he present it? All he needs to do is release his military records. Are we really supposed to just take him at his word when over 225 Veteran say he is lying?

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I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.

You know as well as I the bulk of the electorate don't know the meat of the policies of ANY candidate. That isn't the point. The point is a lot of people SUPPORT Obama's policies, whatever they think they are.

And people in general don't feel the need to be so well informed. They go on emotions and gut reaction for the most part. Politics today requires the right kinds of attacks to get them to stay with a candidate, or abandon him.

Obaba's policies don't mean squat, and neither do McCain's. They can't deliver on most of them anyway and they just use them to hook the gullible of both sides.

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Not a day goes by that I don't see something that reinforces my belief that people are idiots.

As opposed to the men in his own swift boat refuting the bullshit by these people?
I don't really give a shit about Pickens and his money. All things being equal I will put my money on the word of a man who SAW it all over one who wasn't even in the same boat.

All in all it is the word of one against the other, so don't start demanding proof when you have no proof to support your guy.

And this thread isn't about Kerry anyway, even if you think you have a valid point, so I'll leave you to respond if you wish. I'm not keeping it going here.

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Not a day goes by that I don't see something that reinforces my belief that people are idiots.