So, you're upset about "false outrage", but cool with blanket insults?

Interesting standards, those.

Here's a novel thought - try dispensing with the insults altogether and just discuss the topic....

Matt

Why can't Republicans ever understand that smearing the opposition often backfires. Sure, it worked once, but in 2004 it wasn't the ONLY tactic, and we had no real idea how bad Bush actually was then either.

Right now, I think it truly wouldn't matter if Obama actually WAS caught with the proverbial dead girl and/or live boy. "Yeh, right, and Osama bin Laden too, eh", would be the only answer.

In a related matter, as soon as I see 'you liberals' in any post here I immediately stop reading.

And stop learning. Kind of hard to find out what people are saying when you won't listen.

And it's equally hard to judge a situation when you don't hear both sides of the story which allows you to put it in proper prespective.

And....

Kind of hard to call it a smear when you're using their own words against them......

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Amen Steve............

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Seems that some people can't stand talking about a subject that puts their candidate in proper focus. You're so used to having it your way that anyone who dares bring the facts up is automatically being stupid.

Actually I don't think the problem with Obama is his religion.......I think the problem with him is his innate bigotry and he beliefs in a system of government that is dangerous.

As far as Muslims are concerned they will think Obama being elected our President will mean that they've won a great victory which is a problem in itself......and also beyond Obama's control. It doesn't matter if he is or isn't a Muslim.

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I'll give anyone a million dollars if they can offer me PROOF that smoking causes cancer. Nobody can - all I'll be offered is correlation.

Smoke 'em if you got 'em.

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Did you read the challenge that Pickens made? JF Kerry responded with this:

Pickens responded with this:

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I don't see what the problem is? He is not asking for anything that is outrageous. Yet Kerry will not provide it. Why won't JF Kerry, who by the way served in Vietnam and brought a movie camera to film himself, not follow through on his promise?

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holy shit, is this some blog invention or for real? kerry should kick his ass and present it...

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"The captain has turned off the `No Dubbing' sign. You are free to speak any language you choose."

On the commentary topic quotes, I understand why hes doing this but hes playing with fire, and I think it ill advised, IF he continues to open the door, hes gonna go to far and even moderates and there are some out there that may feel this way already, that if he keeps playing this game, where in he decries racism absent racism, hes playing the victim card, and that doesn’t play well almost anywhere among many folks.

Dem 527 are already firing away with adds a don’t hey have 4 times the money the rep. do, there is a sect of folks that don’t fancy a beat down, like it or not I’d sat dan rather cost kerry 500k votes, because though they may not have loved bush , there is an underdog element at play, and Obama, with so much money and with very well financed 527’s may well swamp McCain to the point where in that fairness and underdog trigger is pulled and some people tune out as well as thy become disgusted with it. Don’t beat up on seniors, think I am off base?
As Obama becomes more like a politician just trying to get elected his aura of change is fading, it will continue to do so as we move on apparently, that with the beat down, I’d say be careful.

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"The captain has turned off the `No Dubbing' sign. You are free to speak any language you choose."

What does he mean by "all the movies made during your service" is he including Star Wars No doubt one or more will be missing after 30 years and then Pickens can claim that to be the crucial one.

I'm sorry, Kerry offered to fufilll the original challenge and then Pickens changed the bet. Once a guy welshes you don't give him 2 out of 3. You call him out for the dishonest and, in this case, treasonous, liar and thief he is and move on.

It really shocks me that you guys started this and keep it up. I thought at least some of you actually meant that stuff you always go on about supporting our troops. You have insulted and worse, cheapened, every medal ever awarded to any US soldier

Cool.

But look at this following reply. It's perfectly suited to my "blanket insult" and a good reason why it fit.

My apology holds up to you for accusing you of being just like those small-minds who try to attack Obama by making personal attacks instead of legitimately going after him on the multitude of valid reasons that are real concerns.

Please provide evidence of my apparent support or endorsement for Obama.

I'm "so used to having things my way?". I can't comprehend this statement. It sounds like something a child says on a playground when teacher! teacher! isn't around.

Tell me, anyone, how does one get one's "way" on this forum anyhow? From the 4 demerit points I've accumulated this month for my foul mood swings, I beg to differ.

You say, "Actually, I don't think Obama's religion is the problem". But then you go on to say that Muslims would be contented at an Obama victory. Explain the difference here.

And please, someone, give me some evidence of this "blanket statement" that Muslims will think they've won a great victory to have Obama win the White House.

I think I shall start a better thread that attacks Obama for more valid reasons. He deserves a better trashing than the same-old same-old kinda crap that keeps coming up on threads like this and elsewhere.

I want to put him down because of his ideas and not because of "Bullshit Indecision 2008" kind of issues like religion and muslims around the world being happy about Obama and race-baiting that just isn't there on his part.

I mean, if you're going to get the guy, at least beat him up fairly. There's enough to go after.

You'll have to ask Mr Pickens exactly what he means, I would imagine it is the films Mr Kerry made of himself while in Vietnam. He had no trouble using them during the campaign, so what's the problem now? Also, who is "you guys"?

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I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.

After the drubbing he took in the election, you think he'd be eager to do so. I know I would be! But then again, I am not an overbearing, pompous, dilettante who brought his own super 8 movie camera to Vietnam.

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I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.

I don't see it as odd that anyone brought a movie camera to Vietnam. Soldiers in Iraq are using cell phones and computers with webcams all the time.

In any event, Pickens' demand does indeed seem like he knew it was impossible, and therefore a foolproof way to weasel out of his pledge. These swift boat guys are questioning his actions in COMBAT. I rather doubt Kerry or anyone else was filming themselves while being shot at, so Pickens' challenge is unmet and he gets to claim his offer was still legitimate.


I tried to get the thread off of Kerry between Alex and myself. I really did. But it seems like it took on a life of its own.

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