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Re: Is Obama Trying To Start A Race-War In America?

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You also are wrong about the premise of Affirmative Action. It assumes there are qualified applicants/students of all races, but it also acknowledges that racism exists and, most importantly, there are advantages that whites receive in terms of social connections (this is particularly the case for business) that racial minorities and women do not receive. Remember, the greatest benefeciaries of Affirmative Action are white women.
So it provides benefits to people based on race AND sex. Would that make it racist and sexist? Hmmm. What if we had white-only fountains in government buildings, and no black fountains? Would be similar to the concept behind AA, only I believe that the self-proclaimed opposition to racism would jump all over it.

Furthermore, why does it assume that there are qualified applicants/students of all races/sexes, and in particular, that equal percentages of each race fit that category? If there are, then why do they need UNequal assistance from the government? Furthermore, if whites have "social connections," then wouldn't that also apply to being more wealthy overall, living in better areas overall, and being better taught overall? Wouldn't that actually make their qualifications, per capita, greater than those of other races? Seems like a bit of a contradictory policy. "They're equal, but need unequal help." "They are just as qualified, but whites have better connections and the perks (such as qualification, perhaps) thereof."
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Well if blacks are waiting 8-10 hours in line to vote, and get told they aren't eligible to vote, we might have a problem on our hands. So any ideas to disenfranchise black voters in this election better be shelved. If there are enough black voters who feel they've been wronged in this election, there will be hell to pay.

Yeah, they had better forget about it.

But the media is disenfranchising voters right now with their biased news reporting. Also on election night they will report that Obama has already won the election before California polls are closed.

They did it for the last Primary this year declaring Obama the winner of the Democrat nomination at 2pm Eastern Time even though he hadn't.(They had to fudge the delegate count by claiming that the Super-Delegates put him over the top)

And they did the same during the 2000 election by declaring Gore the winner in Florida even though he never led in the vote count.....ever.....in hopes of discouraging Republican voters in Western states.

These are both varifiable, not just some political operative making false claims like the one you just made.

Yes.......let's talk about a conspiracy to suppress the vote.
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Yeah, they had better forget about it.

But the media is disenfranchising voters right now with their biased news reporting. Also on election night they will report that Obama has already won the election before California polls are closed.

They did it for the last Primary this year declaring Obama the winner of the Democrat nomination at 2pm Eastern Time even though he hadn't.(They had to fudge the delegate count by claiming that the Super-Delegates put him over the top)

And they did the same during the 2000 election by declaring Gore the winner in Florida even though he never led in the vote count.....ever.....in hopes of discouraging Republican voters in Western states.

These are both varifiable, not just some political operative making false claims like the one you just made.

Yes.......let's talk about a conspiracy to suppress the vote.
Have you seen CNN's election coverage lately, you'd think it was election night the way they are already calling electoral votes, it's a disgrace.
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Hello CMSux,

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As a Rush listener you know that in order to get audio clips of the guy you have to pay his website fee.
So, in other words, you can only make claims without any evidence, other than hearsay, to support those claims. How convenient.

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I'm also curious under what context those comments on slavery would be acceptable. In what context is it possibly funny?
My comment about a lack of a sense of humor was in response to your alleged quote of Rush about Jesse Jackson. I do not believe that Rush made those comments on slavery.

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But I'm not paying for Rush and I doubt if you are a premium member we'd be able to find those quotes. However, all you have to do is type in Rush Limbaugh, racism and quotes on google and a number of sites come up with very similar kinds of quotes.
I am sure there are many sites that attribute "out of context" and false quotes to Rush. Do you believe everything you find on the web?

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To judge a person on the color of their skin, to act or set policy either positively or negatively only on skin color. Racial quotas and Jim Crow are based on racist beliefs -- the first a positive benefit, the second a negative -- both based on a negative view of African-Americans. My Oxford University Press Dictionary defines Racism as: 1 the belief that there are characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to each race. 2 discrimination against or antagonism towards other races.

Rev. Wright has expressed his belief that there are characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to each race.


Jim Crow was based on the notion that racial segregation was necessary to protect the purity of the white race, to ensure that only whites wielded political and economic power and became an effective rallying cry for southern Democrats for decades. How exactly is this at all similar to "racial quotas."
Both are based on the premise that African-Americans (or other) are inferior. Racial quotas is also based on the false premise that a social justice is served by government determined percentages of the different races fulfilling the positions of some organization rather than those positions being filled based on merit.

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You also are wrong about the premise of Affirmative Action. It assumes there are qualified applicants/students of all races, but it also acknowledges that racism exists and, most importantly, there are advantages that whites receive in terms of social connections (this is particularly the case for business) that racial minorities and women do not receive. Remember, the greatest benefeciaries of Affirmative Action are white women.
Affirmative Actions is based on the premise that race or sex is more important than other qualities (such as experience, education, achievement, and merit) when judging an individual for acceptance for a university, employment, or a business contract. Identify politics does not help America or Americans become a colorblind society were we can embody the dream of MLK -- to be judged not by the color of one's skin but by the content of one's character.

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His whole diatribe about his alleged differences in how blacks and whites learn is racist. And he has expressed his antagonism towards other races -- specifically towards whites. Whites creating AIDS to kill off blacks is based on a conspiracy lie that is inherently racist.


Actually you are wrong about Wright
You are free to believe so, I do not agree.

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and not understanding a key distinction he makes between people and governments.
I recognize that distinction. Rev. Wright is still a racist, anti-Semitic, conspiracy nut, Marxist in Christian drag.

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Wright's contention is ALWAYS that the U.S. government has engaged in racism, and frankly, the record speaks for itself doesn't it. The mission of the government for centuries was to ensure white supremacy can you deny this?
Before LBJ signed into law the Civil Rights Amendment, with the help of Republicans, that was true. After that it became illegal for the U.S. government to engage in racism of any kind. How long ago was that?

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As far as HIV-AIDS conspiracies go. Wright is very off base. But considering the long history of the US government's experimentation on African Americans I don't blame him. People are only aware of the Tuskegee experiment because it was the most publicized.
The Tuskegee experiment was a horrible event, yet the Tuskegee experiment did not include Americans (many of who were black) infecting African-Americans with syphilis or creating syphilis specifically to infect African-Americans. What other experiments are you implying?

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There's a tragically extensive history of this kind of thing happening.
False.

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Stupid is stupid. Stupid does not equal racist.


Rolling your eyes and repeating what you said doesn't count as a response.
Okay ... Stupid does not equal racist.

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Again present an audio link. More likely it is you without a sense of humor, suffering from white guilt, and deeply influenced by political correctness.


Um I'm not white, but...OK.
Okay.

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She was clear enough for me to understand her. Yet, due to some who were too dense, the next day she clarified the report. FOX News has not engaged in repeating the false claim that Obama was raised Muslim on their news shows. I watch the news, not the talking head opinion shows.


Then we're not talking about the same thing. The talking head shows are what they claim as "news programs."
No, the talking head programs are editorial and opinion shows and are meant to be contentious to evoke discussion and, in a sense, controversy. A news program presents the events of the day or week and most attempt to be unbiased. There may be an editorial segment within a news program, but those segments are clearly presented as opinion in nature. Except for the CBS Evening News and 60 minutes, of course.

Since you cannot present audio evidence of your assertion that Rush is a racist I will ignore your claims that Rush is a racist. They are baseless and without foundation.

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Re: Is Obama Trying To Start A Race-War In America?

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Reverend Wright is an old-fashioned guy with old-time beliefs,
R i g h t. Just an old-fashioned guy with old-time beliefs. Like -- AIDS was created by white people to kill off the African race. White people and black people learn differently based only on race. America deserved to be attacked on 911. Jesus was an African-American and only those who accept Jesus as an African-American are allowed into the club -- he embodies the black race and black power and does not transcend all racial divisions. Salvation in Black Liberation Theology is based on the collective empowerment of the Black race and has nothing to do with one's personal relationship with Christ or God.

American Thinker: Obama, Black Liberation Theology, and Karl Marx
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nowhere near as bad as Pat Robertson, James Dobson, and the loons on the right.
Neither of them engage in racist separatist rhetoric, or promote a twisted form of Christianity that is actually Marxism in Christian drag. I have never heard of either Robertson or Dobson push paranoid conspiracies of genocide. I have never heard either Robertson or Dobson engage in anti-American rhetoric.

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These people are taken way too seriously by some people. And it's too bad too, because it's the superstitious and biggoted crowds on the left and right who buy into it.
I'll agree with you on that one.

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Wright doesn't really sound all that different from MLK, and it's because they came out of the same era, sharing the same struggles.
MLK was a hero who judged people on the content of their character, rather than the acceptance of his beliefs.

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I want to make a list of all the crazy and famous preachers in America and visit those churches. It sounds like it would be one hell of an entertaining Sunday. And it's free, too! Hatemongering, every Sunday in America, and then? We're makin' waffles!
I know of only two churches that are famous for their hatemongering preachers. The first is that group that goes around protesting the burial and death of American US personal, because they believe America is damned for tolerating homosexuality. The second is Trinity United Church in Chicago. Now, "Can I just finish my waffles!

tashi deleks,

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Re: Is Obama Trying To Start A Race-War In America?

You still pushing this crap?

You must be very, very afraid.
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Re: Is Obama Trying To Start A Race-War In America?

Just to push it a little more

American Thinker: Obama, Black Liberation Theology, and Karl Marx
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American Thinker: Obama, Black Liberation Theology and Antisemitism

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You still pushing this crap?
I see you are still unable to present a reasoned rebuttal and must continue to rely on name calling and dismissing anything that does not agree with the party-line dogma.

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You must be very, very afraid.
"You will be. You will be." -- Yoda

After four years of Obama, if he wins the election.

tashi deleks,

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Greetings and Felicitations,

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I know of only two churches that are famous for their hatemongering preachers. The first is that group that goes around protesting the burial and death of American US personal, because they believe America is damned for tolerating homosexuality. The second is Trinity United Church in Chicago. Now, "Can I just finish my waffles!
There are several churches that use hatred as part of their religion. I would refer you to the Christian Identity Movement that has become the core of many racialist beliefs.

Sincerely Yours,
C. David Neely

PS. Your writing style is not particularly representative of a Bodhisattva.
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Hello and Felicitations C. David,

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Greetings and Felicitations,

There are several churches that use hatred as part of their religion. I would refer you to the Christian Identity Movement that has become the core of many racialist beliefs.
You are right to consider the Christian Identity Movement a hatemongering twisted racist theology, but I know of no famous church that promotes it.

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PS. Your writing style is not particularly representative of a Bodhisattva.
Of course not. My style is closer to a Tilopa, a Marpa, or an insulting Chan Master from China. Not that I am worthy of washing any of their feet. Those guys could really insult and makes the insulters on this forum look like amateurs and wannabes. Taoists could also throw a good insult are two.

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Just to push it a little more

American Thinker: Obama, Black Liberation Theology, and Karl Marx
American Thinker: Obama, Black Liberation Theology and Karl Marx
American Thinker: Obama, Black Liberation Theology and Antisemitism



I see you are still unable to present a reasoned rebuttal and must continue to rely on name calling and dismissing anything that does not agree with the party-line dogma.



"You will be. You will be." -- Yoda

After four years of Obama, if he wins the election.

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Rebuttal? To what? To your off the wall smear campaign?

It's irrelevant.
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Rebuttal? To what? To your off the wall smear campaign?

It's irrelevant.
In other words, you cannot rebutt ...

American Thinker: Obama, Black Liberation Theology, and Karl Marx
American Thinker: Obama, Black Liberation Theology and Karl Marx
American Thinker: Obama, Black Liberation Theology and Antisemitism

in a reasoned and logical manner. You can only and dismiss anything that does not agree with the party line.

tashi deleks,

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Have you seen CNN's election coverage lately, you'd think it was election night the way they are already calling electoral votes, it's a disgrace.

Let's face it.......America is wise to him now and I don't think he'll do as well in the General election as everyone is telling us......but channels like CNN are trying to tell us he's already won.
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When has CNN ever said that Obama has already won it?

America is wise to Obama? Oh please. It takes mainstream America a good while to get wise on most bad politicians. How else to explain voting for Nixon and Bush twice? I think average people are kind of dumb. Like how all the news networks have been griping the last few days about politicians going home for summer break and not doing anything about gas prices.

What are politicians supposed to do about the fact that the average consummer has done it to themselves? If people wasted less, that would be the best start, along with a massive investment in wind and solar power immediately. Politicians in America suck because they're selfish and ignorant, but the same could be said about mainstream voters who expect the gov't to fix everything.

From a strictly economic point of view related to taxes, most people on this forum (assuming they don't make more than $600 grand a year) should vote for Obama.

Both candidates still don't have the courage to step up to the plate and engage people in a frank discussion about energy conservation or America's role in the Middle East after Bush is out.

If America was wise to any of that, they'd have a common sense third-party by now, which isn't anywhere in sight.
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In other words, you cannot rebutt ...

American Thinker: Obama, Black Liberation Theology, and Karl Marx
American Thinker: Obama, Black Liberation Theology and Karl Marx
American Thinker: Obama, Black Liberation Theology and Antisemitism

in a reasoned and logical manner. You can only and dismiss anything that does not agree with the party line.

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No link to Obama.

There, how's that for a rebuttal?
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When has CNN ever said that Obama has already won it?

America is wise to Obama? Oh please. It takes mainstream America a good while to get wise on most bad politicians. How else to explain voting for Nixon and Bush twice? I think average people are kind of dumb. Like how all the news networks have been griping the last few days about politicians going home for summer break and not doing anything about gas prices.

What are politicians supposed to do about the fact that the average consummer has done it to themselves? If people wasted less, that would be the best start, along with a massive investment in wind and solar power immediately. Politicians in America suck because they're selfish and ignorant, but the same could be said about mainstream voters who expect the gov't to fix everything.

From a strictly economic point of view related to taxes, most people on this forum (assuming they don't make more than $600 grand a year) should vote for Obama.
So all of the dummies should vote for Obama, right, because that's what his campaign is geared for. All of the idiots and the clueless love Obama.

If you want to blow his bullshit campaign to peaces just buy an audio copy of his Audacity of Hope book and listen to how much he contradicts himself or talks about what a stuck up low-life in college he was....in his own words and in his own voice.

The MSM is trying to tell us every day how McCain ain't got a chance and how wonderful Obama is.......like the prospect of him losing is almost unthinkable.

They said the same thing about Hillary you know.
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