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Old 06-25-2008
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Re: Nader: "Won't someone please pay attention to my campaign?"

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OK, what he really said was:



No, Ralph, even making idiotic racist comments like that won't get anyone to pay any attention to your campaign.

Now please just slip quietly into the shadows of irrelevance where you belong. There's a good chap.

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I think the word that ol' Ralph was looking for was "Oreo."
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Re: Nader: "Won't someone please pay attention to my campaign?"

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Surely you're mistaken. Michael Moore would never support such a candidate.
ROFLMAO. Wait a second...you mean those Nader votes in FL and NH that he campaigned so passionately to spoil the election for Gore (his own comments I recall) played a role in Bush winning? That part of the fix wasn't in his movie *shocked and appalled*. Didn't you know a vote for Gore isn't a vote for Gore? A vote for Nader is a vote for Gore.

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Re: Nader: "Won't someone please pay attention to my campaign?"

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It means Obama isn't living up to being a stereotype that phoney condescending limousine 'liberals' like him need to 'save' and 'care for' to feed their ego.

It isn't that Obama is half of British/Irish descent, raised in a white family, educated himself and did very well in school, set personal ambitions and went after them, etc. No, that's expecting too much from him.

You see, in Naderworld, all blacks must have rap sheets, stolen pistols with bad tempers and bad aim, 4 kids by 4 mothers, baggy pants, gangsta rap blaring, etc. And forget talking correctly. No sir, speaking and acting correctly is only for white people you know, 'real' white people that is because half doesn't count. Blacks are predetermined to be a social disaster, underprivileged and behind white people and if they speak and act properly and excel on their own then they are only pretending to be white (i.e., competent) and selling out the blacks (naturally incompetent) as an Uncle Tom.

At least that's the apparent world of Nader, a legend and saviour in his own mind who was sent by God above to be Big Brother to us all.

Of course, God forbid blacks actually succeed and help ruin his perceived purpose. The nerve of them.
See the bolded part is the bit that threw me in refference to most of the post, as the comments by Nader i would expect from an actual black. The ones who are furious with him. I would think at least 10 to 15% of blacks will vote for McCain, and of that at least 1 or 2 will be the hard line black terrorists in line with the Farroukhans of the world; they won't Obama never to get into power so they can spend the next many years claiming foul about the loss, they need the lack of success to continuously and constantly promote their very perverse agenda.
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Re: Nader: "Won't someone please pay attention to my campaign?"

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You see, in Naderworld, all blacks must have rap sheets, stolen pistols with bad tempers and bad aim, 4 kids by 4 mothers, baggy pants, gangsta rap blaring, etc. And forget talking correctly. No sir, speaking and acting correctly is only for white people you know, 'real' white people that is because half doesn't count. Blacks are predetermined to be a social disaster, underprivileged and behind white people and if they speak and act properly and excel on their own then they are only pretending to be white (i.e., competent) and selling out the blacks (naturally incompetent) as an Uncle Tom.
How does one get that from: "I haven't heard him have a strong crackdown on economic exploitation in the ghettos. Payday loans, predatory lending, asbestos, lead. What's keeping him from doing that? Is it because he wants to talk white? He doesn't want to appear like Jesse Jackson? We'll see all that play out in the next few months and if he gets elected afterwards." ???

I'll admit the 'talking white' line is a bit cryptic to me, but it seems to me that Nader's main point is that Obama is basing an appreciable portion of his appeal on his being 'an underprivileged minority', in this case black, but doesn't seem to be very interested in improving the lot of the 'typical underprivileged black', making the theoretical advantage (to minorities, especially blacks) of Barack's racial heritage a moot point.
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Re: Nader: "Won't someone please pay attention to my campaign?"

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How is Obama "acting white"? What the hell? What does that even mean?
It means he isn't basing his campaign around racial grievances.
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Re: Nader: "Won't someone please pay attention to my campaign?"

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How does one get that from: "I haven't heard him have a strong crackdown on economic exploitation in the ghettos. Payday loans, predatory lending, asbestos, lead. What's keeping him from doing that? Is it because he wants to talk white? He doesn't want to appear like Jesse Jackson? We'll see all that play out in the next few months and if he gets elected afterwards." ???

I'll admit the 'talking white' line is a bit cryptic to me, but it seems to me that Nader's main point is that Obama is basing an appreciable portion of his appeal on his being 'an underprivileged minority', in this case black, but doesn't seem to be very interested in improving the lot of the 'typical underprivileged black', making the theoretical advantage (to minorities, especially blacks) of Barack's racial heritage a moot point.
Well, let's look at what Nader said again as quoted and linked in the OP and assume for the sake of the argument that his attack on him is accurate (very debatable as his own sales pitching and self-promotion):

"There's only one thing different about Barack Obama when it comes to being a Democratic presidential candidate. He's half African-American," Nader told the paper in comments published Tuesday. "Whether that will make any difference, I don't know. I haven't heard him have a strong crackdown on economic exploitation in the ghettos. Payday loans, predatory lending, asbestos, lead. What's keeping him from doing that? Is it because he wants to talk white? He doesn't want to appear like Jesse Jackson? We'll see all that play out in the next few months and if he gets elected afterwards."

People running for the POTUS are supposed to be running to be POTUS of the American people as a whole. They are supposed to represent the best interests of the American people without any bias either for or against those who may share their own ethnic backgrounds. Nader clearly infers that Obama owes a special duty to black Americans simply because he is half-black.

Moreover, there is in reality no such thing as 'talking white.' There is talking correctly and incorrectly in the English language or any other language. What in the world is wrong with Obama talking properly with correct grammar and usage for Nader to even bring up that fact and remark? The context of Nader's comment was a disparaging one towards blacks in that Obama talks 'white' when speaking properly. Blacks are just as genetically capable of speaking correctly as whites are. Not all whites or blacks speak properly. When incorrect, it is the particular user's error(s) based on other factors. Like math, language is an objective structure and its rules and vocabulary can be equally applied or misapplied.

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Re: Nader: "Won't someone please pay attention to my campaign?"

Nader has become so disappointing. He's so over.

"I think he's in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency, (errr the campaign)."

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Re: Nader: "Won't someone please pay attention to my campaign?"

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People running for the POTUS are supposed to be running to be POTUS of the American people as a whole. ... Moreover, there is in reality no such thing as 'talking white.' Blacks are just as genetically capable of speaking correctly as whites are.
Okay, I can see your point(s) - Thanks for the explanation.

I think my interpretation applies if one assumes the intended audience is those who are voting Obama simply because he's black, but then Nader's still not all there because such an audience is both unlikely to be exposed to the message and unlikely to heed it if they do.
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Re: Nader: "Won't someone please pay attention to my campaign?"

According to the polls I've seen nader takes about 1% of the vote (mostly from Obama) and Barr takes about 3% (mostly from McCain). So the wee parties won't be swinging this election to the right.
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Re: Nader: "Won't someone please pay attention to my campaign?"

Nader gave us Bush.
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Re: Nader: "Won't someone please pay attention to my campaign?"

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OK, what he really said was:



No, Ralph, even making idiotic racist comments like that won't get anyone to pay any attention to your campaign.

Now please just slip quietly into the shadows of irrelevance where you belong. There's a good chap.

Matt
I concur but here is the thing. I believe the man to have good principles and he generally wants to do well for America. The problem is that he's an idiot and he got George Bush elected twice. I can't see the logic in wanting to do good and then knowingly help elect the worst president in history.

Politics is a game. If you want to win you need to play it. Once you've won THEN you can revert back to your principles. I believe this is what Obama is doing quite well.
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Re: Nader: "Won't someone please pay attention to my campaign?"

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Politics is a game. If you want to win you need to play it. Once you've won THEN you can revert back to your principles. I believe this is what Obama is doing quite well.
Wow.

Um, Danny, I hate to break this to you.

If you have to "revert back" to your principles, then they really aren't principles at all.

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Re: Nader: "Won't someone please pay attention to my campaign?"

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According to the polls I've seen nader takes about 1% of the vote (mostly from Obama) and Barr takes about 3% (mostly from McCain). So the wee parties won't be swinging this election to the right.
Hopefully Barr will take more away from McCain; Nader will probably not do too much damage, but another black, the Malcolm X terrorists of your party who see Obama as an uncle Tom will vote for Cynthia McKinney, the choice of anti-Semites is astounding this cycle.
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Re: Nader: "Won't someone please pay attention to my campaign?"

The trouble is that the SOB is not going away into oblivion. As Al Gore found out in 2000, even a few votes can make a difference. Had it not been for the 80,000 votes Nadar got in Florida, it would have been George Bush who would have faded into oblivion and our country would have been so much better off today. The budget would still be balanced, Unemployment would be non-existent, the dollar would be strong, the Dow Jones approaching 15000, and last but not least, we would not be bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan would be secure. So yes, I hope the SOB will go away but deep down I know he wont because insecure people like him need to have their ego fed.
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Re: Nader: "Won't someone please pay attention to my campaign?"

If you are blaming the 2000 electon on anyone, how about:
Blaming it on Gore for conceding
Blaming it on Bush's cronies for rigging elections
Blaming it on the supreme court
Blaming it on the Democratic party for failing to appeal to enough voters to landslide the election against an obvious idiot
Blaming it on our failed electoral system which needs to be changed which neither of the mainstream parties will do
Blaming it on the apathetic half of the population who don't even bother to vote
Blaming it on the idiots who voted for Bush

If you need a scapegoat, why not pick some real ones. Gore won the election.
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