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myxoma · #31 (**permalink**) 08-18-2008

Also, the depictions of Nader as a racist for his comment display a real lack of understanding of Nader's positions and what he really meant. His comments do not display racism on his part, it is a commentary on the general racism of the country as a whole.

Steve · #32 (**permalink**) 08-18-2008

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Originally Posted by myxoma

Blaming it on the Democratic party for failing to appeal to enough voters to landslide the election against an obvious idiot

If the Democrats were so fucking stupid that they couldn't beat an "obvious idiot", I'm pretty sure we're better off with the idiot who's in office, as opposed to someone who's too stupid to beat that idiot...

myxoma · #33 (**permalink**) 08-18-2008

As far as I am concerned, both mainstream parties are equally crappy.

iamwhatiseem · #34 (**permalink**) 08-18-2008

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Originally Posted by O'Sullivan Bere

It means Obama isn't living up to being a stereotype that phoney condescending limousine 'liberals' like him need to 'save' and 'care for' to feed their ego.

It isn't that Obama is half of British/Irish descent, raised in a white family, educated himself and did very well in school, set personal ambitions and went after them, etc. No, that's expecting too much from him.

You see, in Naderworld, all blacks must have rap sheets, stolen pistols with bad tempers and bad aim, 4 kids by 4 mothers, baggy pants, gangsta rap blaring, etc. And forget talking correctly. No sir, speaking and acting correctly is only for white people you know, 'real' white people that is because half doesn't count. Blacks are predetermined to be a social disaster, underprivileged and behind white people and if they speak and act properly and excel on their own then they are only pretending to be white (i.e., competent) and selling out the blacks (naturally incompetent) as an Uncle Tom.

At least that's the apparent world of Nader, a legend and saviour in his own mind who was sent by God above to be Big Brother to us all.

Of course, God forbid blacks actually succeed and help ruin his perceived purpose. The nerve of them.

Sounds like a description of Jesse Jackson as well...maybe he should be his running mate.

myxoma · #35 (**permalink**) 08-18-2008

Well, I am not sure if the above charicature is a joke or not, but like I said, Nader's comments were meant as a commentary on racism in the US as a whole. His comments apply only because there are a majority of people who actually believe there is such a thing as "talking white", but he is not himself a racist.

It is as if, lets say there were a lot of people who still believed in the god Zeus, and when Obama was talking about lightning and thunder, Nader said, oh, he is just trying to "talk zeus" ... it doesn't mean Nader believes Zeus is a real being, it is a commentary on the situation as it is.

AjaxPress · #36 (**permalink**) 08-18-2008

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Originally Posted by samonwheels

Its fun to see 3rd party guys, they don't have to be politically correct !

Sometimes, like in Nader's case, they aren't factually correct either.

myxoma · #37 (**permalink**) 08-18-2008

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Originally Posted by AjaxPress

Sometimes, like in Nader's case, they aren't factually correct either.

Want to provide an example of some fact Nader got wrong?

NadertheInvader · #38 (**permalink**) 10-05-2008

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Speaking with Colorado's Rocky Mountain News, Nader accused Obama of attempting to both "talk white" and appeal to "white guilt" in his quest to win the White House.

"There's only one thing different about Barack Obama when it comes to being a Democratic presidential candidate. He's half African-American," Nader told the paper in comments published Tuesday. "Whether that will make any difference, I don't know. I haven't heard him have a strong crackdown on economic exploitation in the ghettos. Payday loans, predatory lending, asbestos, lead. What's keeping him from doing that? Is it because he wants to talk white? He doesn't want to appear like Jesse Jackson? We'll see all that play out in the next few months and if he gets elected afterwards."

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What Nader is (obviously) saying is that Obama is focusing his efforts as president (and its been said over and over again by him and Biden) to "restore the middle class" and "give power back to the middle class", ect ect. When Jesse Jackson ran for president, he brought up alot of "black" issues, because (as they are today) African Americans are still on the whole in a crappy economic situation due to years of slavery, then years of segregation. Jesse Jackson talked about repairations for slavery, and a lot of other programs to help get the African Americans that are in poor economic situations to rise above it, and to be able to prosper like the rest of America.

Wither or not I believe that Obama is trying to "appeal to white guilt" quite a different story, cause I don't believe that is true. But if you look to things in historical context, its very easy to see what he means...

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