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Old 06-27-2008
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Re: MN Senate Race - Coleman v. Franken

But just to make my point:

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I have heard local and national GOPers (including posters here) use derogatory terms to describe Franken,

but I certainly won't point at the Coleman campaign and blame him for it.

About the only negative ad against Coleman playing here, linking him by use of public records to big oil, was done by a "527 group,"

not Al Franken or his campaign.

Considering Republican's wide use past, present, and future of such groups, I'd withhold whining about that if I were you.
Of the vitriolic buffalo shit in your post above, of the first paragraph alone i've boldened a few loaded statements you've made, as fact that have nothing to back them up at all.

I'm sure if someone took you seriously enough then they would call you it on it or ask you to prove it (and personally i don't care as i think its a load of crap from a partisan hack) but you're pretty much precisely guilty of your own invented crimes.
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Re: MN Senate Race - Coleman v. Franken

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Member since 2005, 7 posts.......

You can tell its election season. The democrats are waking up their many forum accounts to flood the Internet with their garage again.
Well, this is a secondary account she's using because she was banned some time ago on her main account. Apparently, she's decided to test the waters again.
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Re: Franken is perfect for the Senate

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Wow! I didn't realise the drug addled gasbag Rush L, was running for US Senate against Franken! Ya learn sumptin' new every day.

Let me restate my original comment:
He has no formal training in government policy. He has no experience in forming national policy. He is a partisan whose strong suit is smear tactics.
And I stand by that. To be a smear merchant, you do not need to be speaking only about your political opponents. He can be speaking about anyone from Jesus Christ to the worst criminal. A smear is a smear is a smear.

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Re: Franken is perfect for the Senate

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Let me restate my original comment:
He has no formal training in government policy. He has no experience in forming national policy. He is a partisan whose strong suit is smear tactics.
And I stand by that. To be a smear merchant, you do not need to be speaking only about your political opponents. He can be speaking about anyone from Jesus Christ to the worst criminal. A smear is a smear is a smear.

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I see!



So you'll be sure to have a word or two to several other posters around here that spend endless hours here doing the same to anyone who they disagree with, and ol' Druggie Limbaugh himself, who has made a career out of smearing people? Not to mention, Micheal "Savage," Sean Hannity, Bill "OhReally?", and on and on, ad nausium? Well, good for you! I'm right with you, it's high time we raise the level of political discourse in this Nation!


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Old 06-27-2008
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Re: Franken is perfect for the Senate

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I'm right with you, it's high time we raise the level of political discourse in this Nation!

We agree 100%

And I'm sorry if I stepped on your toes about Al Franken. I'm from Florida and I usually take the position that whoever another state elects as their representative is their business. So I didn't really care one way or another about Jesse Ventura. In fact, even though he was a showman, I respected the fact that he was a former SEAL. I also liked his attitude about government in general.

Al Franken is anothe issue, though. As a US senator he has a direct influence over national policy and federal regulations. That has a bearing on me, directly. And even though he's not much different than most senators, it doesn't qualify him to have such authority. I'm hoping that the good folk in MN can see him for what he is. He's a political satirist and not really a qualified candidate for senator.

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Re: Franken is perfect for the Senate

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We agree 100%

And I'm sorry if I stepped on your toes about Al Franken. I'm from Florida and I usually take the position that whoever another state elects as their representative is their business. So I didn't really care one way or another about Jesse Ventura. In fact, even though he was a showman, I respected the fact that he was a former SEAL. I also liked his attitude about government in general.

Al Franken is anothe issue, though. As a US senator he has a direct influence over national policy and federal regulations. That has a bearing on me, directly. And even though he's not much different than most senators, it doesn't qualify him to have such authority. I'm hoping that the good folk in MN can see him for what he is. He's a political satirist and not really a qualified candidate for senator.

RJ
Judging by one of the comments by a poster who lives in MN, it seems like Coleman is also a bad choice. It's the typical scenario of two relatively bad choices. So to say that Franken is worse than the Rep. candidate is a little unfair when a local resident is saying otherwise.
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Judging by one of the comments by a poster who lives in MN, it seems like Coleman is also a bad choice. It's the typical scenario of two relatively bad choices. So to say that Franken is worse than the Rep. candidate is a little unfair when a local resident is saying otherwise.
ehhh, non-residents can certainly offer their opinions.

Johnny K and I don't live far apart at all, and him and I differ on who we think is the worse of the two.
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We agree 100%

And I'm sorry if I stepped on your toes about Al Franken. I'm from Florida and I usually take the position that whoever another state elects as their representative is their business. So I didn't really care one way or another about Jesse Ventura. In fact, even though he was a showman, I respected the fact that he was a former SEAL. I also liked his attitude about government in general.

Al Franken is anothe issue, though. As a US senator he has a direct influence over national policy and federal regulations. That has a bearing on me, directly. And even though he's not much different than most senators, it doesn't qualify him to have such authority. I'm hoping that the good folk in MN can see him for what he is. He's a political satirist and not really a qualified candidate for senator.

RJ
Hmmm...

So I guess you were opposed to Ronald Reagan being a candidate, governor or president? How about Arnold Schwarzenegger in Cali? Should our choices in who represents us be limited to those that have made a career of politics? Sorry, but I couldn't disagree more, I like the idea that someone isn't an "insider" that is beholden to the powers that be, can have a shot at having a voice that matters in DC. Considering the shape this Nation finds itself in, all of those "qualified and experienced" clowns doing the job now are in DESPERATE need of someone new to show them the way.
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Hmmm...

So I guess you were opposed to Ronald Reagan being a candidate, governor or president? How about Arnold Schwarzenegger in Cali? Should our choices in who represents us be limited to those that have made a career of politics? Sorry, but I couldn't disagree more, I like the idea that someone isn't an "insider" that is beholden to the powers that be, can have a shot at having a voice that matters in DC. Considering the shape this Nation finds itself in, all of those "qualified and experienced" clowns doing the job now are in DESPERATE need of someone new to show them the way.
If they are running as an independent you would have a point. That, however, is not the case here.
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Re: Franken is perfect for the Senate

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If they are running as an independent you would have a point. That, however, is not the case here.
Au contraire, I think it's more productive to work within a party to move it forward, than to be stuck on the sidelines making noise but accomplishing nothing. Perhaps if the real conservatives hadn't stood by and let the neocons hijack the GOP, it wouldn't be in the sad shape it is in, now. I've listened and watched both Franken and Coleman for quite a while. It's become quite clear to me which has the best interests of America at heart and which is just another pandering political opportunist.
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Au contraire, I think it's more productive to work within a party to move it forward, than to be stuck on the sidelines making noise but accomplishing nothing. Perhaps if the real conservatives hadn't stood by and let the neocons hijack the GOP, it wouldn't be in the sad shape it is in, now. I've listened and watched both Franken and Coleman for quite a while. It's become quite clear to me which has the best interests of America at heart and which is just another pandering political opportunist.
The point I was trying to make is that Franken, by attempting to and securing the DFL nod, has made himself an "insider" as you put it and is therefore "beholden" to that party.

After listening to the both of them as well, it has become quite clear to me that they are of the same ilk, and are equally deserving of scorn.
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Re: MN Senate Race - Coleman v. Franken

Just great Minnesota...

First you elect a Professional Wrestler as your governor... and now you might elect a Comedian as one of your senators....

No better way for the nation to take your state seriously..
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Just great Minnesota...

First you elect a Professional Wrestler as your governor... and now you might elect a Comedian as one of your senators....

No better way for the nation to take your state seriously..
fuck off already. Since when do politicians define a people?
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fuck off already. Since when do politicians define a people?
Many people worldwide judge America by what Bush has done....

But, I'm just making a joke really...and I guess a cheap one..

I didn't mean to offend.... just kind of a sarcastic "Way to go guys!"
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Re: MN Senate Race - Coleman v. Franken

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Just great Minnesota...

First you elect a Professional Wrestler as your governor... and now you might elect a Comedian as one of your senators....

No better way for the nation to take your state seriously..
Says the guy so proud of his state, that he omits all reference to it.

Seriously, what's wrong with a comedian? A satirist like Franken needs to have a deep understanding of current events and the American culture to make his material work. Then he needs command of the language, and an appreciation for subtle nuance. And then he needs to precisely communicate his vision to the audience.
Sort of an Anti-Bush.
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