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Old 06-28-2008
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Re: Democrat Hypocrisy?

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Yes, agreed, if McCain is now for waterboarding that’s a big flip flop and he will have to deal with it and carry it. I see this as a flip flop as egregious as Obamas as in campaign financing , a pivot away from a core principal.
Which negates many of the attributes McCain's supporters like to bring up. To me, the John McCain I knew of from many years ago is not the McCain we have today. For a tortured POW to support torture is so incredible I can barely believe it.
But I think supporting Bush on almost everything is a mere political ploy to get Bush supporters on board. I see it as a lack of principles every bit as bad as Obama and a potentially MAJOR blunder on the part of his advisors. It's not as if Bush won by a landslide last time and many of his former supporters are unhappy with him today.

In the end, it's like I said. A politician's principles and values are always for sale these days. In effect, after the primaries our choices have turned into NO real choices.
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Re: Democrat Hypocrisy?

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Now, I fully realize that this is all in the name of politics; Obama wants those votes. But how honest a guy is Obama, really, if he seemingly has dismissed all of the terrible things he's claimed about Clinton in order to get her support and garner more votes?
Actually, nothing about what Obama has said in recent weeks contradicts his criticism of Clinton. Obama has not said "I don't think Clinton is overly ambitious." Nor has he said "I now support Clinton's vote on Iran" nor has he said "I no longer think that Clinton isn't a little two faced." What he HAS said, is simply what is true, her candidacy inspired millions of people to support her, that she inspired lots of women with her ceiling breaking campaign and that she has been a consisten voice for progressive ideals and policies throughout her political life, that is ALSO true. If anything Clinton moved to the center on foreign policy while in the senate, but Obama isn't talking about her foreign policy credentials because that's not why her supporters liked her. Her supporters liked her wonky positions on healthcare and the economy, many of which Obama might adopt in his bid for the whitehouse. So no. There's nothing hypocritical about Obama's move.
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Re: Democrat Hypocrisy?

If I recall correctly, both of them were on TV in debates praising each other during their primary bids as well. It's not as if it was a non-stop mudslinging fest. Both said that the other was more suitable for President than John McCain. No hypocrisy.
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Re: Democrat Hypocrisy?

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Your point was called DEMOCRAT Hypocrisy, by which it was a logical assumtiion you were making a detrimental comparison to the Republicans. I pointed out that the Republicans were doing it too, which addreses this point directly.

In the future, just say Hypocrisy or Politicial Hypocrisy. Then we will know that you are making a purely theoretical observation with no politcal overtones whatsoever
They're Democrats. Referring to them as such is appropriate.

Also, Obama has been telling us, all along, that he stands for "change". What "change"? He's doing the exact same thing that damn near every politician in Washington has done, does, and will do. They were at each others throats through the primaries. Now, suddenly, Hillary's wonderful.

The only people who seem stupid enough to buy his bullshit are, well, Democrats...
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So Hillary Clinton has thrown her support firmly behind Barack Obama. Barack Obama seems only too glad to have it. They're now on the road together, looking like the best of friends. Clinton is talking about how great a President Obama will be, and I think we've all heard the talking heads discussing the possibility of an Obama/Clinton ticket.

I can't help but wonder, if Obama is truly about "change", why does he insist on playing the typical game of politics? Their differences during the campaign and the debates were pretty evident, each believing that they were far and away superior to the other, and they never wasted an opportunity to point that out.

Now, though, Clinton seems damn-near ready to blow Obama for letting her on the same stage with him, and Obama is now praising Clinton at every turn.

A quick Google search finds some articles in which Obama slams Clinton, her policies, her votes, etc. Hell, if I looked long enough, I'm sure I'd find where he criticizes her pantsuits. Now, they're coordinating their wardrobes.

Just a sampling:

Obama Accuses Clinton of Deception - washingtonpost.com

Obama Criticizes Clinton's Drive to Win - washingtonpost.com

Obama criticizes Clinton over Iran threat - USATODAY.com

FOXNews.com - Barack Obama Accuses Hillary Clinton of Dodging Tough Questions About Social Security - Politics | Republican Party | Democratic Party | Political Spectrum

Obama criticizes Clinton's support for resolution on Iran - Boston.com

Now, I fully realize that this is all in the name of politics; Obama wants those votes. But how honest a guy is Obama, really, if he seemingly has dismissed all of the terrible things he's claimed about Clinton in order to get her support and garner more votes?

I haven't heard or read anything, since she dropped out of the race, in which Obama slams her. He digs her now. Now, she's a wonderful person and an "asset" to his campaign. Hell, he's written a personal check to help her campaign debt.

Frankly, if he were a man of conviction, he'd thank her for her offer of support, but say "no thank you", and cite their stark differences as reasons why he would not accept her support. But, apparently, Obama's idea of "change" in the political arena is to, in fact, change nothing at all. He's playing politics as usual, and his fans and supporters are buying his bullshit...
So they're putting on this kissy love-fest for us.

I shit you not, an Obama spokesman admitted flat out....."We (meaning campaigners and journalists) don't buy it but maybe voters will buy it".

WTF??????

He then said they were just hoping to put on a show in hopes that people would eventually come to their senses and back Obama.

Truth is neither Hillary nor Obama has been honest during this election cycle.

Obama doesn't have the leadership traits to be individualistic and all he will be is a radical-left yes man for the Democrat leadership changing his belief which ever way the wind blows. He's always going to try to do what he thinks "Looks" good, not what "Is" good for this country.

So don't expect any change other then a constant errosion of our liberty's. One day we will wake up and nothing will mean anything anymore. Laws will be pretty much up to debate no matter how important they are. Too many of his supporters don't like this country and the way it has been run......many of them have lived outside our laws and they want them changed.

If a powerful enough Democrat decides he or she doesn't like a law, they'll just ignore it. Then it will be up to the offended party to have to take them to court to force them to follow our laws. Soon nobody will care about laws or respect authority anymore. You want to see this country go down the crapper real quick just let Obama get in the White House.

That is the change we can expect.

The only thing keeping all of this in check right now is the few people that are left in Washington that are half-assed decent. Soon those will be gone as well.
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Re: Democrat Hypocrisy?

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They're Democrats. Referring to them as such is appropriate.

Also, Obama has been telling us, all along, that he stands for "change". What "change"? He's doing the exact same thing that damn near every politician in Washington has done, does, and will do. They were at each others throats through the primaries. Now, suddenly, Hillary's wonderful.

The only people who seem stupid enough to buy his bullshit are, well, Democrats...
Yeppers Steve...

... just when ya think ya think ya got us ol' "stupid Democrats" pegged, we go and do what's best for America and not for the GOP...

Go figger!

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Yeppers Steve...

... just when ya think ya think ya got us ol' "stupid Democrats" pegged, we go and do what's best for America and not for the GOP...

Go figger!

The Obama snow-job seems to be working well on you.

The guy says he represents "change".

He talks a good game, but he's done nothing to indicate that "change" is on his mind.

He's business as usual, and Democrats are swallowing it...
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The Obama snow-job seems to be working well on you.

The guy says he represents "change".

He talks a good game, but he's done nothing to indicate that "change" is on his mind.

He's business as usual, and Democrats are swallowing it...
But of course Steve...

... being a "stupid Democrat" what more would you expect? It couldn't be possible that I might be informed on the issues, have examined the candidates positions on what needs to be done about them and decided that Sen Obama is a far superior as the next leader of the free world, could it? After all, you are sooooooooooooooooooo much smarter than me, 'cuz I'm just one of those "stupid Democrats" who just can't see the wonderful state that the Nation is in, thanks to the brilliant leadership and policies of the GOP.

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But of course Steve...

... being a "stupid Democrat" what more would you expect? It couldn't be possible that I might be informed on the issues, have examined the candidates positions on what needs to be done about them and decided that Sen Obama is a far superior as the next leader of the free world, could it? After all, you are sooooooooooooooooooo much smarter than me, 'cuz I'm just one of those "stupid Democrats" who just can't see the wonderful state that the Nation is in, thanks to the brilliant leadership and policies of the GOP.

Pretty much, yeah.

See that? You're gettin' smarter already!



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That's politics for you. A politician's "convictions", as well as integrity and honor are almost always for sale. He's in this to win, and he'll do whatever it takes.

I'm curious about how Obama's small contributors see this plea to pay Clinton back on a debt she owes herself. Personally, if I contributed to HIM because I don't like HER, his asking me to pay off her bad debt would be insulting. If I wanted to give HER money instead of him, I would have.

I think it takes a lot of balls to even ASK for contributions for her. It's like asking a casino to give back the money you lost. Nobody forced her to risk the loot in the first place.
You won't see me rushing out to give money to a rich politician.

For Obama to even ask is an insult, giving money to Hillary is a total waste, and in these times, money is something Obama shouldn't be asking people to waste.
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Pretty much, yeah.

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Too bad the 4000 dead soldiers your man killed can no longer appreciate the paradise he's given us.
What the fuck kind of non-responsive comment is that?

Oh, and this seems to be something that Democrats need to be constantly reminded of, Bush isnt running. Constantly referring to him makes you all look pretty silly...

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So Hillary Clinton has thrown her support firmly behind Barack Obama. Barack Obama seems only too glad to have it. They're now on the road together, looking like the best of friends. Clinton is talking about how great a President Obama will be, and I think we've all heard the talking heads discussing the possibility of an Obama/Clinton ticket.

I can't help but wonder, if Obama is truly about "change", why does he insist on playing the typical game of politics? Their differences during the campaign and the debates were pretty evident, each believing that they were far and away superior to the other, and they never wasted an opportunity to point that out.

Now, though, Clinton seems damn-near ready to blow Obama for letting her on the same stage with him, and Obama is now praising Clinton at every turn.

A quick Google search finds some articles in which Obama slams Clinton, her policies, her votes, etc. Hell, if I looked long enough, I'm sure I'd find where he criticizes her pantsuits. Now, they're coordinating their wardrobes.

Just a sampling:

Obama Accuses Clinton of Deception - washingtonpost.com

Obama Criticizes Clinton's Drive to Win - washingtonpost.com

Obama criticizes Clinton over Iran threat - USATODAY.com

FOXNews.com - Barack Obama Accuses Hillary Clinton of Dodging Tough Questions About Social Security - Politics | Republican Party | Democratic Party | Political Spectrum

Obama criticizes Clinton's support for resolution on Iran - Boston.com

Now, I fully realize that this is all in the name of politics; Obama wants those votes. But how honest a guy is Obama, really, if he seemingly has dismissed all of the terrible things he's claimed about Clinton in order to get her support and garner more votes?

I haven't heard or read anything, since she dropped out of the race, in which Obama slams her. He digs her now. Now, she's a wonderful person and an "asset" to his campaign. Hell, he's written a personal check to help her campaign debt.

Frankly, if he were a man of conviction, he'd thank her for her offer of support, but say "no thank you", and cite their stark differences as reasons why he would not accept her support. But, apparently, Obama's idea of "change" in the political arena is to, in fact, change nothing at all. He's playing politics as usual, and his fans and supporters are buying his bullshit...
Yeah, people will say that this is just how the game is played, but what does it say about their character?

To me, when your running for the highest office in the land, Character is everything.
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Re: Democrat Hypocrisy?

Why do people constantly preface their criticisms of Obama with, "This guy says he's all about change, but it looks like it's the same old politics."? Do people really think that's a winning strategy? All they're really saying is, "Look! This guy's just like the other guys. Now vote for my guy!" I'm surprised the GOP hasn't adopted the same Adlai Stevensonish political strategy that they've adopted with Iraq (i.e. "You Never Had it So Good"). Hell, they've almost got me completely convinced that we should stay in Iraq until they decide we should leave, regardless of who is in the Oval Office.

Change is just a slogan. Criticizing a slogan is laughable.

As far as the topic goes, I think emptypepsi's explanation is as good as any...and a criticism of politicians from the same party, who participated in a hard-fought race to get the nomination, for joining together after the nomination has been decided reeks of desperation to accept any criticism possible.
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no way, she and bill are not worth it.
Care to elaborate? We were running massive surpluses under the Clinton administration. We are currently reaping some of the investments in computer technology now in being ahead of the technology curve and having lower prices and improvements in those products.

What have the republicans invested in to propel us ahead of any technology curves? They could have advocated advances in boring technologies that could enable extracting natural resources from without nature preserves and drilling offshore, from onshore.
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