Here's McCain getting ready for the campaign trail:

And now that he has secured the nomination, the "lesson learned about what the American people's priorities are" has faded.

I actually thought McCain had learned something from the immigration reform fiasco. Apparently not.

I am rapidly coming to the point where I don't really care who wins, because we're hosed either way.

Matt

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Well, Immigration gets pretty dicey....

Securing the borders (first) is the only thing that almost everyone agrees on. If whichever guy gets elected actually secures the borders and prevents new illegals from coming across... it will be an tremendous accomplishment in and of itself.

Coming up with and implementing a comprehensive immigration policy is a larger and more nebulous issue to tackle.... it may take years to come up with a uniform way to deal with the illegals that we already have here.

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Congratulations President-Elect Obama

McCain has had 25 years to work on this and he still can't get it right.

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Is our children learning? -George W. Bush

"I think—tide turning—see, as I remember—I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of—it's easy to see a tide turn—did I say those words?"—Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006

"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

Nobody will secure the borders because its a fruitless exersise in spending money unless you remove the carrot of welfare and easy money hanging in front of the noses of the illegals. And nobody will touch that for fear of pissing off the fastest growing political demographic in America.

Now that he's running for president, he's ditching what he really thinks and is saying what will get him elected.

I don't fault him on his flimsy immigration stance.... If he goes hard, he gains support from the base, but loses some of the center, the independents, and the hispanic vote. If he goes too soft, he completely alienates his base, and likely gains little, because the center will go for Obama anyway (based on immigration).

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yea he was bound to flop flop, he has too.

As a con, I wasn’t so much opposed to the bill the dolts surfaced 18 months ago as I was to their total regards for first things first, turning off the spigot.

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So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

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damn skippy, he aint immune to the the FF's...no one is.

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


Mortgage Backed Security survivor

At this point, it's just which one paints the prettiest oicture for the right people

Yes because, as we all know, McCain, alone, has been responsible for US immigration policy for the last 25 years...

What has McCain done for the immigration issue in 25 years? On his own website he doesn't bother to list any bills or legislation he's proposed.

F.F.? I don't know what those are.

It would be nice if one of the candidate talked about doing something so that it doesn't take 10 years and thousands of dollars to become a citizen.

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Is our children learning? -George W. Bush

"I think—tide turning—see, as I remember—I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of—it's easy to see a tide turn—did I say those words?"—Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006

"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

Business as usual. THis is why conservative republicans didnt want him.

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Elminate all taxes on income and replace with a national sales tax.

Why should becoming a citizen be quick and cheap?

McCain's entire campaign is caught between a rock and a hard place just for those reasons. He's not allowed to just go out there and say what he wants said about immigration. And his initial instincts were the best one's too and the most likely to court new voters to the Republican side.

If only McCain were allowed to be McCain, then we'd really have a race on our hands.

Oh bull, pure conservative mythology. You CANNOT collect welfare in the US if you're not a citizen, any more than you can vote. If anyone does, they're defrauding the system. And SSI is not welfare.

There was a guy on tv just this morning. In his state, one of the big Western ones, they've just recently passed a whole bunch of "reforms" aimed at illegal immigrants. Now the farms, hotels, any service industries, are all going out of business. Those people are here because we need them to make money and they wouldn't be here otherwise. If we put a wall up we are, once again, cutting off our nose to spite our face, but what else does American politics do?

Oh bull, pure conservative mythology. You CANNOT collect welfare in the US if you're not a citizen, any more than you can vote. If anyone does, they're defrauding the system. And SSI is not welfare.

There was a guy on tv just this morning. In his state, one of the big Western ones, they've just recently passed a whole bunch of "reforms" aimed at illegal immigrants. Now the farms, hotels, any service industries, are all going out of business. Those people are here because we need them to make money and they wouldn't be here otherwise. If we put a wall up we are, once again, cutting off our nose to spite our face, but what else does American politics do?