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Re: Obama's Hope and Change: Hannity Sucks

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How is Hannity an "opponent"? And, by the way, like any other pundit, he's a professional ranter.
He is a republican, Obama is a democrat. They are both fighting over how the country should be run. Im not arguing whether he is a ranter, but whether it is hypocratical for Obama to imply that Hanity can not criticize his wife. He didnt take offense to what Hannity said, but that he said anything.
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How many times? And how Bush reacted speaks to his credibility on family values. Did he give them a pass? That is the only thing that matters in regards to someones candidacy. The actions of the daughters are private and irrelavant. His position on it are relavant.
The "family values" that Bush instilled into his daughters showed up in criminal behavior. It appears that Bush rhetoric rang hollow.
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I love how he tries to say democrats dont do it against republicans. How many times have they called McCains wife a trophy wife? And of course no one ever went after the Bush's daughters...No one goes after Laura Bush because she doesnt campaign or make speeches or political comments. I cant wait for Obama to become president just so he can finally understand its not like its portrayed on tv.
Whose called her a trophy wife? Really? Liberals are doing that? Where?

I think these people ought to be able to respond heavily when their spouses get attacked.

This is all just typical in American politics though and now part of the culture in America to slander people's wives, to make up ridiculous accusations and claims about them.

I think a lot of people on the right are just offended that Obama, the great socialist, grrrrrrrrr, is attacking back when people attack him. It's like many on the far right are like, "Why can't Obama just stand there passively so we can bash him?".
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Emphasis mine of course.

Spouses, daughters, cousins, and whatever are fair game if those people decided to get involved in the political process. Obama's wife started getting into the campaign trail and so she was attacked. I haven't seen Cindy McCain get involved in the campaign so far so I don't think it's fair to attack her.

Bush' daughters were an exception. Early in Dubya's presidential run he wouldn't stop talking about family values and morality then his daughters got busted for having fake I.D.'s, getting drunk, and being rowdy.
I didn't care at all about what his daughters did; it's that the same crowd that shoves their apparent "Moral Values" at you are the same side that hires male escorts and tries to pick up dudes in bathrooms and does crystal meth......or cocaine in their past, and they try to act like they're the squeaky clean party. And their base buys into it. At least Clinton wasn't a hypocrit about it and lived up to his playboy image. And he could have gone after somebody really hot, but didn't. He chose a passed-over girl, which is kinda sweet.
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Re: Obama's Hope and Change: Hannity Sucks

Hannity as put up the challenge to Obama to debate him. Obama wants to talk big yet when called on it, will he be the man he claims to be? So far no one from the Obama camp or Obama himself has taken Hannity up.

So why is Obama scared to debate Hannity if Hannity is just another talking head. If Obama is so skilled of a politician he should be able to mop the floor with Hannity arse. I don't see it happening but Hannity has thrown down the gauntlet. Lets see if Obama is the man he claims to be and ride up on his high horse to defend his wife's honor by smacking Hannity upside his big fat head.
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Why is it important that Obama debates Hannity? Wouldn't a debate between Obama and McCain better serve the voters? Unless Hannity is throwing his hat in the ring as another third party candidate.
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Re: Obama's Hope and Change: Hannity Sucks

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He is a republican, Obama is a democrat. They are both fighting over how the country should be run. Im not arguing whether he is a ranter, but whether it is hypocratical for Obama to imply that Hanity can not criticize his wife. He didnt take offense to what Hannity said, but that he said anything.
I wouldn't say that being affiliated with different political parties makes people "opponents". My mother is a Democrat and my father a Republican, but I don't consider them to be "opponents". But, even if we do take that definition, Obama's job is to represent his constituents, enact legislation, etc. Hannity's job is to entertain people, often in sensationalist fashion, and by appealing to their emotions. Someone who does Hannity's job is naturally going to be at odds with someone who does Obama's job, in the same way that there is a natural conflict between, say, umpires and baseball players.

And, as for hypocrisy, I just don't see it (nor would I see it if McCain, for example, talked about being tired of liberal pundits going on about his first marriage or his divorce). What is hypocritical about finding the particular blather of a particular entertainer objectionable or offensive? It seems to make sense - the point of the punditry on all of those news networks is often, specifically to shock, offend, etc, because that is the best way to entertain and thus make money. Those networks turn political discourse into "what's going on with Britney's baby?"
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Hannity as put up the challenge to Obama to debate him. Obama wants to talk big yet when called on it, will he be the man he claims to be? So far no one from the Obama camp or Obama himself has taken Hannity up.

So why is Obama scared to debate Hannity if Hannity is just another talking head. If Obama is so skilled of a politician he should be able to mop the floor with Hannity arse. I don't see it happening but Hannity has thrown down the gauntlet. Lets see if Obama is the man he claims to be and ride up on his high horse to defend his wife's honor by smacking Hannity upside his big fat head.
Probably because Obama doesn't want to give Sean Hannity the recognition that no one, other than Sean Hannity, feels he deserves. If Obama met to "debate" Sean Hannity, he'd be challenged by every talking-head in the country. Ingraham, Coulter, Limbaugh, Savage, Levin, they'd all want a piece.

It would be like Rachel Maddow challenging John McCain to a debate. You know why she doesn't? Because she's not so arrogant (and ridiculously foolish) as to assume that presidential contenders don't have anything better to do than debate with radio and television talk show hosts.

Anyone who thinks Obama should debate Sean Hannity is a M-O-R-O-N.
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I will say though laying this on hannity or anyone in the media is a non starter and a wimp out. I don’t like that kind of namby pamby self aggrandizement....ala victimization and I am not alone, several of my lib buddies here at work thought it was a cop out to cast it that way and actually counter productive.
Blaming media heads for things they say is a wimp out? Interesting. Remember that next time you chastise the liberal media for their flattery of the Democrat of the week.

On a side note, the reason why Hannity was targeted is because he essentially talks about Michelle Obama every single day. I listen to him constantly and I'm starting to wonder if his apparent dislike of Obama is only rooted in his obvious hatred of Obama's wife.
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Probably because Obama doesn't want to give Sean Hannity the recognition that no one, other than Sean Hannity, feels he deserves. If Obama met to "debate" Sean Hannity, he'd be challenged by every talking-head in the country. Ingraham, Coulter, Limbaugh, Savage, Levin, they'd all want a piece.

It would be like Rachel Maddow challenging John McCain to a debate. You know why she doesn't? Because she's not so arrogant (and ridiculously foolish) as to assume that presidential contenders don't have anything better to do than debate with radio and television talk show hosts.

Anyone who thinks Obama should debate Sean Hannity is a M-O-R-O-N.
Really so that is why Obama has been talking about Hannity to Glamour?

Obama said Hannity wouldn't talk about his wife to his face, Hannity said come on the show and debate me and he would say what he thought about Obama and his wife.

So Obama runs his mouth about someone saying something to his face and the person says OK lets talk face to face. Where is Obama?

He throws out a threat and when the person steps up to answer that threat Obama is nowhere to be found.

So your MORON is Obama for talking shit and not being man enough to back up his threats.

I am no fan of Hannity, but I cannot believe that Obama is going to chicken out to the likes of Hannity. No balls.
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I know. How dare Obama defend his wife against attacks? What a dick! This is obviously evidence that Obama is just another politician and his message of hope and change are pure rhetoric.
I'd say it's less of a defense and more of an offense on the "attackers." In the OP's quote, Obama appeared to not be refuting the statements, but attacking the people who made the statements for simply making said statements.
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Really so that is why Obama has been talking about Hannity to Glamour?

Obama said Hannity wouldn't talk about his wife to his face, Hannity said come on the show and debate me and he would say what he thought about Obama and his wife.

So Obama runs his mouth about someone saying something to his face and the person says OK lets talk face to face. Where is Obama?

He throws out a threat and when the person steps up to answer that threat Obama is nowhere to be found.

So your MORON is Obama for talking shit and not being man enough to back up his threats.

I am no fan of Hannity, but I cannot believe that Obama is going to chicken out to the likes of Hannity. No balls.
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Obama: I don't have a thick skin when it comes to criticism of my wife. And you know, the problem is that rarely do these folks have the guts to say it to your face. Barack Obama Tells Glamour: "Debate Me, Not Michelle"
...as some kind of challenge for someone to say it to his face. Anyone with an ounce of political intelligence in their body would know that it would be completely idioitic for Obama to go on Hannity's show to discuss his wife. What happens after that? Marc Levin says Obama's wife is a whore and challenges Obama to go on his show. Is Obama a wuss because he doesn't do that, as well? What about when Savage calls her a c***. Does Obama have to go on Savage to explain why that's not the case.

While I would enjoy the spectacle of Obama and Michelle artfully explaining their positions to Sean Hannity, face-to-face, considering Obama a wuss for not going on Hannity, after Hannity has repeatedly tried to make a mockery of Obama's wife, would be like Al Franken calling Cindy McCain a bitch, John McCain denouncing Al Franken for the comment, and then calling John McCain a wuss because he wouldn't go on Air America to explain why his wife isn't actually a bitch.

Furthermore, if Obama were to go on Hannity, I have no doubt in my mind you all would label it another "flip-flop" and act as though this appearance is evidence that the man is not fit to be president.
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You know, early on, I liked Obama. I started to buy into the whole "change" thing. He was young, which I liked. He was a dynamic, brilliant speaker. For the first time in a long time, I actually started to consider the very real possibility that I may end up voting for a Democrat.

Unfortunately, everything he said, regardless of how well he said it, was nothing new. He's just another Democrat, but with less gray hair and a better suit.

An Obama Presidency will be catastrophic to this country...
You liked Obama to such an extent because he said the word "change" a lot, was young, and could speak well? At least you've decided not to vote for him.
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I'd say it's less of a defense and more of an offense on the "attackers." In the OP's quote, Obama appeared to not be refuting the statements, but attacking the people who made the statements for simply making said statements.
If someone insults your wife, and you say, "Don't you have anything better to do than insult my wife," would you be defending your wife, or attacking the person who made the insult? It's pure semantics to suggest that there is much difference between defending one's wife against attacks and denouncing the individual who made the actual attack.

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Obama: What happened was that the conservative press—Fox News and the National Review and columnists of every ilk—went fairly deliberately at her in a pretty systematic way...and treated her as the candidate in a way that you just rarely see the Democrats try to do against Republicans. And I've said this before: I would never have my campaign engage in a concerted effort to make Cindy McCain an issue, and I would not expect the Democratic National Committee or people who were allied with me to do it. Because essentially, spouses are civilians. They didn't sign up for this. They're supporting their spouse. So it took a toll. If you start being subjected to rants by Sean Hannity and the like, day in day out, that'll drive up your negatives...And I think that it is an example of the erosion of civility in our political culture that she's been subjected to these attacks, and my attitude is that the people who have attacked her in the ways that they have...if they've got a difference with me on policy, they should debate me. Not her.
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If someone insults your wife, and you say, "Don't you have anything better to do than insult my wife," would you be defending your wife, or attacking the person who made the insult? It's pure semantics to suggest that there is much difference between defending one's wife against attacks and denouncing the individual who made the actual attack.
But that's not what Obama said. He rather clearly denounced the makers of the statement. That goes beyond "Don't you have anything better to do."
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