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Old 07-18-2008
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Re: Obama's Hope and Change: Hannity Sucks

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Maybe hope and change was just for the primaries. Now its time for typical partisan politics. Call your opponents opinions "rants". Apparently Obamas wife didnt sign up to be challenged, and they are supposed to be able to go campaign and make political statements, but not have their speeches commented on. Is Obama really acting Presidential?

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The spouses & children of candidates should be off-limits.



if they do not involve themselves in the campaign then I agree. otherwise they're fair game.
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if they do not involve themselves in the campaign then I agree. otherwise they're fair game.
Well, what exactly constitutes "involved"? Does saying, "All I know is I've always been proud of my country," in an interview constitute "involved"? If so, I'd say, by your line of reasoning, Cindy McCain is ripe for the picking. What if Obama's daughters say, "I hope you all vote for my daddy!" Is it perfectly acceptable for Sean Hannity to imply that they probably hate America too?

The point is, Sean Hannity is a parasite. Obviously, he can say whatever he wants. No one is disputing that. The question is: Is it wrong for Barack Obama to come out and voice his frustration at attacks on his wife? I say No. Evidently, some say Yes.
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Old 07-19-2008
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When Michelle talks policies, future plans and why she believe a change is needed she goes from being a wife at her man side to being part of the Obama admin. For Obama to sit there and think that she is not fair game even though she is putting herself into the fight is crazy. She is going to have a few punches landed and might even get herself knocked on her ass. But if she didn't want to swing then maybe she should have stayed in his corner instead of climbing into the ring with the heavyweights.

But explain this. Laura Bush has never really involved herself in the political deals of her husband being the President. Many liberals think we need to back off from Michelle, Obama included, yet Laura as been called a murderer, a drunk and cheater from those of you on the left. What makes Laura fair game but Michelle not?
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When Michelle talks policies, future plans and why she believe a change is needed she goes from being a wife at her man side to being part of the Obama admin. For Obama to sit there and think that she is not fair game even though she is putting herself into the fight is crazy. She is going to have a few punches landed and might even get herself knocked on her ass. But if she didn't want to swing then maybe she should have stayed in his corner instead of climbing into the ring with the heavyweights.

But explain this. Laura Bush has never really involved herself in the political deals of her husband being the President. Many liberals think we need to back off from Michelle, Obama included, yet Laura as been called a murderer, a drunk and cheater from those of you on the left. What makes Laura fair game but Michelle not?

Laura Bush is a Stone-Cold Bitch!

I know it because Stephen Colbert told me so. He said, "It's been widely reported and that makes it fact-esque".

I haven't heard of libs dumping on Laura Bush. I thought everybody was in "agreeance" that she fits the mould of the "classic, stand behind your man" First Lady.
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Really because the truth says otherwise.

SFChron Columnist Spews Vicious Attack on Laura Bush | NewsBusters.org

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusive...aura-bush.php]

Dear Laura, it's not one attack a day in Iraq, it's 230

Found these in 2 seconds. Many more to come is this doesnt convince you that you liberals whine about one thing then do another.
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Laura Bush is a Stone-Cold Bitch!

I know it because Stephen Colbert told me so. He said, "It's been widely reported and that makes it fact-esque".

I haven't heard of libs dumping on Laura Bush. I thought everybody was in "agreeance" that she fits the mould of the "classic, stand behind your man" First Lady.
wow you must be drinking loads of koolaide to not have heard the bashes on laura bush

how about the one where she killed a kid????

do you read anything other than bush/america bashing articles? that is probably the problem.......
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You liked Obama to such an extent because he said the word "change" a lot, was young, and could speak well? At least you've decided not to vote for him.
I'm sure this will come as stunning news to you, but I didn't list every reason I liked Obama. I simply included the ones that people seem to mention most.

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Really because the truth says otherwise.

SFChron Columnist Spews Vicious Attack on Laura Bush | NewsBusters.org

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusive...aura-bush.php]

Dear Laura, it's not one attack a day in Iraq, it's 230

Found these in 2 seconds. Many more to come is this doesnt convince you that you liberals whine about one thing then do another.
If a couple of jackass talking heads with minuscule readerships made comments about Michelle Obama once in a blue moon, it wouldn't even be an issue. But that is not the case. These guys have been doing this for months now. The American Blogger is not, and should not be, held to the same standard as Sean Hannity, just as the American Thinker should not be held to the same standard as Keith Olbermann.

As far as your links go, the first one is inexcusable, the second one doesn't work, and the third one is just a blogger correcting a verbal gaffe Laura Bush made. If you equate that to Sean Hannity suggesting Michelle Obama shouldn't be allowed to talk about the plight of black folks because she went to Princeton, you need to adjust your filter.

I wouldn't even necessarily go so far as to say that it is completely unfair for talking heads to attack the wife of a political candidate. I'm just saying it's unequivocally pathetic. Maybe they should start going after children too. After all, they're sometimes involved in the political process as well.
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I'm not really sure what you would describe as an "insult." What Hannity does is say things like, "The man's wife wrote her thesis about how she hates white people," and "The woman, who went to Princeton and Harvard Law, has no right to say that America is 'downright mean.'" He constantly emphasizes, almost always ignoring the context, any quote that his mundane audience will accept as evidence that she hates America. I'm not so sure it's as insulting to Michelle Obama as it is to his listeners. However, if you ever listen to the people who call into his show, you can see that they are the kind of folks that eat that shit up.

Hannity can say whatever he wants. I completely agree with that. But Barack Obama has every right to say something to the effect of, "Pick on me, not my wife." It's not as though Obama is planning to make an Alien and Sedition Act-type law that forbids citizens from demeaning his wife. He's just telling people that he doesn't like it when people talk shit about his wife.

I'm just glad the Frankens and Maddows and Olbermanns and Matthewses haven't opened up the can of worms that is Cindy McCain's background. They have every right to, I suppose, but it'll be a sad day if they ever do.
well first cindy McCain has not given any speeches that I know of, to make a clim that she is out there along the lines Michele was, is imho self serving, clarly she was not so going after cindy to me is out of line.

Michele spoke of her past she spoke on platforms for her husband at events scheduled and highlighted for her, she inserted herself into the mix. there fore she and her feelings on what SHE espoused is fair game and can be dissected.

When cindy starts having speeches independent of McCain a and doing more thn hanging on his arm, have at it.

You cannot dissect Michelle’s comments(?) saying well it all exist in a vacuum, hannity is a jerk, his comments were volatile and misleading and untrue, she didn't say she hated white people she said eh struggled with her place in the “white" college society and speaks ot what appears, appears being the operative word here, her anger at the plight of blacks and her angst regards what’s being done or not by themselves blacks and the exchange with whites on a sociological basis.

I think we can both agree, that Obama made a mistake ever letting her get out there, they have now decided to close the barn door, but it’s a little late.


And thats another judgement call he has to stand up for.


and I also added that question for you regards brothers? They are clearly fair game ala Neil bush etc..I remember clearly silverado etc. being used to tar Bush, so hey, I am not all that cracked up over this, you reap what you sow and the fact that this is his wife is a patronizing form of anti-feminisim inho...is it not?
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Maybe they should start going after children too. After all, they're sometimes involved in the political process as well.
if they are old enouugh to take the stage and hold rallies, certianly. Ala chelsea.
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I'm sure this will come as stunning news to you, but I didn't list every reason I liked Obama. I simply included the ones that people seem to mention most.

But, troll on...
Do tell what other reasons there were for your liking Obama. When you make a list of reasons between "You know, early on, I liked Obama" and "For the first time in a long time, I actually started to consider the very real possibility that I may end up voting for a Democrat," some people might think that those reasons are actually somewhat important to you. While I am somewhat relieved at your pointing out that those were not the ONLY reasons for your support of Obama, it is certainly troubling to read that you decided to build your case for supporting Obama in the past by allegedly selecting reasons not based on their importance to you, but on their supposed popularity.
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Do tell what other reasons there were for your liking Obama. When you make a list of reasons between "You know, early on, I liked Obama" and "For the first time in a long time, I actually started to consider the very real possibility that I may end up voting for a Democrat," some people might think that those reasons are actually somewhat important to you. While I am somewhat relieved at your pointing out that those were not the ONLY reasons for your support of Obama, it is certainly troubling to read that you decided to build your case for supporting Obama in the past by allegedly selecting reasons not based on their importance to you, but on their supposed popularity.
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well first cindy McCain has not given any speeches that I know of, to make a clim that she is out there along the lines Michele was, is imho self serving, clarly she was not so going after cindy to me is out of line.

Michele spoke of her past she spoke on platforms for her husband at events scheduled and highlighted for her, she inserted herself into the mix. there fore she and her feelings on what SHE espoused is fair game and can be dissected.

When cindy starts having speeches independent of McCain a and doing more thn hanging on his arm, have at it.

You cannot dissect Michelle’s comments(?) saying well it all exist in a vacuum, hannity is a jerk, his comments were volatile and misleading and untrue, she didn't say she hated white people she said eh struggled with her place in the “white" college society and speaks ot what appears, appears being the operative word here, her anger at the plight of blacks and her angst regards what’s being done or not by themselves blacks and the exchange with whites on a sociological basis.

I think we can both agree, that Obama made a mistake ever letting her get out there, they have now decided to close the barn door, but it’s a little late.


And thats another judgement call he has to stand up for.


and I also added that question for you regards brothers? They are clearly fair game ala Neil bush etc..I remember clearly silverado etc. being used to tar Bush, so hey, I am not all that cracked up over this, you reap what you sow and the fact that this is his wife is a patronizing form of anti-feminisim inho...is it not?
On the contrary, Cindy McCain does go out and stump for John McCain. Here's just one example (Cindy McCain to Visit Tallahassee, Tampa Bay). It doesn't get the kind of press that Michelle Obama gets because Michelle is a much more dynamic and interesting figure to watch. Cindy McCain, like Laura Bush, is a sweetheart, and, therefore, not particularly exciting for the press.

As far as brothers go, I would argue that it's not as pathetic as going after someone's wife, but it's not much better. The entire point is that these people are not necessarily making conscious choices to go out there and stump for their loved ones, as much as there is an unspoken obligation to support your spouse, children, etc.

And I think Obama's issue isn't even necessarily that people are speaking about his wife. If people were constantly talking about how gracious she is, I'm sure it wouldn't bother him. It's the idea that people are saying horribly untrue and malicious things about her. They paint her as some kind of Assata Shakur when anyone who listens to her knows she is nothing like that. There's an underlying racist theme that is constantly used to drive fear into people who aren't particularly comfortable around black folks. They're saying, "Do you really want this black nationalist in the White House?"

Obama's way around it is to suggest that they attack him rather than his wife. I don't see anything wrong with that.
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well look what I just ran accross....July 9th? Hummm..when did obama make his anti hannity diatribe..?

so, is this fair game?

“You're getting $600 - what can you do with that?” Mrs. Obama said in Pontiac, Michigan last week. “Not to be ungrateful or anything, but maybe it pays down a bill, but it doesn't pay down every bill every month. The short-term quick fix kinda stuff sounds good, and it may even feel good that first month when you get that check, and then you go out and you buy a pair of earrings."

She made these remarks at a “working women’s roundtable discussion.”


the other commenst his site posted-

State & National Election News: Michelle Obama Hosts Roundtable Discussions with Working Women

if you look at the link, these commenst above are not present, I don't know why.........I had to find them here..

The Campaign Spot on National Review Online
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