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Imperator · #61 (**permalink**) 07-20-2008

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Originally Posted by RFK1968

On the contrary, Cindy McCain does go out and stump for John McCain. Here's just one example (Cindy McCain to Visit Tallahassee, Tampa Bay). It doesn't get the kind of press that Michelle Obama gets because Michelle is a much more dynamic and interesting figure to watch. Cindy McCain, like Laura Bush, is a sweetheart, and, therefore, not particularly exciting for the press.

As far as brothers go, I would argue that it's not as pathetic as going after someone's wife, but it's not much better. The entire point is that these people are not necessarily making conscious choices to go out there and stump for their loved ones, as much as there is an unspoken obligation to support your spouse, children, etc.

And I think Obama's issue isn't even necessarily that people are speaking about his wife. If people were constantly talking about how gracious she is, I'm sure it wouldn't bother him. It's the idea that people are saying horribly untrue and malicious things about her. They paint her as some kind of Assata Shakur when anyone who listens to her knows she is nothing like that. There's an underlying racist theme that is constantly used to drive fear into people who aren't particularly comfortable around black folks. They're saying, "Do you really want this black nationalist in the White House?"

Obama's way around it is to suggest that they attack him rather than his wife. I don't see anything wrong with that.

his brother was no where near the campaign.......

as far as attacking obama instead, well that’s kind of dubious as to make up and what I have been told here is judgment.....the woman he marries is part of the make up of someone’s package is it not? IF she puts herself out there then she’s fair game same for dear old cindy...attack her words and platforms, there’s nothing personal necessary and I could care less.

And I would add what cindy says is a great deal less flashy by delivery and in context. And add to that the obamas are new on the scene.

Slon · #62 (**permalink**) 07-20-2008

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Originally Posted by Steve

Slon, wrap your head around this:

I don't give a fuck if you're relieved, and I don't give a fuck if you're troubled...

Then don't. Show it by not mentioning how little you care. And while you're at it, don't dodge: "tell what other reasons there were for your liking Obama."

Steve · #63 (**permalink**) 07-20-2008

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Originally Posted by Slon

Then don't. Show it by not mentioning how little you care. And while you're at it, don't dodge: "tell what other reasons there were for your liking Obama."

Why do you feel I would be compelled to explain anything to the likes of you?

Slon · #64 (**permalink**) 07-20-2008

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Originally Posted by Steve

Why do you feel I would be compelled to explain anything to the likes of you?

The same reason you replied to my earlier post with:

but I didn't list every reason I liked Obama. I simply included the ones that people seem to mention most.

Steve · #65 (**permalink**) 07-20-2008

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Originally Posted by Slon

The same reason you replied to my earlier post with:

but I didn't list every reason I liked Obama. I simply included the ones that people seem to mention most.

So my stating that there are other reasons means that I want to explain them to you?

My, you've got a pretty inflated ego.

How does that explain why I would feel compelled to explain myself to you further? I really don't think highly enough of you to spend any amount of time doing so at your behest...

Slon · #66 (**permalink**) 07-21-2008

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Originally Posted by Steve

So my stating that there are other reasons means that I want to explain them to you?

it shows that you're interested in defending your position against my posts, and defending your position includes not only the posting of claims, but the backing up of said claims.

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My, you've got a pretty inflated ego.

How does that explain why I would feel compelled to explain myself to you further? I really don't think highly enough of you to spend any amount of time doing so at your behest...

Clearly, you do "think highly enough" of me to explain yourself further. Earlier, you posted:

"Why do you feel I would be compelled to explain anything to the likes of you?"

Then, you followed it up with a clarification:
"How does that explain why I would feel compelled to explain myself to you further?"

But hey, everyone knows that the best way to show that you aren't interested in replying and explaining yourself to me is by...replying and explaining yourself to me!

Steve · #67 (**permalink**) 07-21-2008

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Originally Posted by Slon

it shows that you're interested in defending your position against my posts, and defending your position includes not only the posting of claims, but the backing up of said claims.

No it doesn't.

It merely tells you that there are other reasons; nothing more, nothing less. Your conclusion that I'm interested in entering into a conversation with you would be, as your conclusions so often are, wrong...

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Clearly, you do "think highly enough" of me to explain yourself further. Earlier, you posted:

"Why do you feel I would be compelled to explain anything to the likes of you?"

Then, you followed it up with a clarification:
"How does that explain why I would feel compelled to explain myself to you further?"

But hey, everyone knows that the best way to show that you aren't interested in replying and explaining yourself to me is by...replying and explaining yourself to me!

Hmmmmm... See, I don't see anything in any of my posts which explains my opinion to you, beyond my opinion that I prefer not to waste time with you...

AjaxPress · #68 (**permalink**) 07-21-2008

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Originally Posted by Imperator

sooo you have never had a drink under age? If so your parents are not very good parents then are they and have no family values? Ipso, if my daughter which I know she did as a lark, has a drink under age, this means I am a lousy father? I see......dude ....

I've never had a drink under age because I'm not a criminal. Simple as that. It's a stupid law, but it is the law. And the Bush daughters didn't have just a drink. The police had to get involved. Maybe that's the kind of family values that you look for, but I'm not a fan of criminality because it's a waste of resources.

Steve · #69 (**permalink**) 07-21-2008

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Originally Posted by AjaxPress

I've never had a drink under age because I'm not a criminal. Simple as that. It's a stupid law, but it is the law. And the Bush daughters didn't have just a drink. The police had to get involved. Maybe that's the kind of family values that you look for, but I'm not a fan of criminality because it's a waste of resources.

This isn't necessarily directed at you, but I find it hard to believe anyone who says they haven't had a drink while underage "because it's the law". I know underage people who say they don't drink because they don't like the taste of alcohol but, of course, they had to take a drink to know they don't like it.

If you haven't in fact, ever had a drink while underage, I think you're is a ridiculously small minority...

AjaxPress · #70 (**permalink**) 07-21-2008

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Originally Posted by Steve

This isn't necessarily directed at you, but I find it hard to believe anyone who says they haven't had a drink while underage "because it's the law". I know underage people who say they don't drink because they don't like the taste of alcohol but, of course, they had to take a drink to know they don't like it.

If you haven't in fact, ever had a drink while underage, I think you're is a ridiculously small minority...

I avoided "the drink" because I just saw no reason to do so. As soon as I turned 21 I gave it a go, decided that it tasted nasty in addition to it being expensive, and that was that. I haven't tried cigarettes or marijuana yet, but that's something I don't even want to try anyways.

And to add, it's ok for someone under the age of 21 to drink alcohol in Nevada if it's in a private residence and it's provided by that person's parent/guardian.

jviehe · #71 (**permalink**) 07-21-2008

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Originally Posted by AjaxPress

I've never had a drink under age because I'm not a criminal. Simple as that. It's a stupid law, but it is the law. And the Bush daughters didn't have just a drink. The police had to get involved. Maybe that's the kind of family values that you look for, but I'm not a fan of criminality because it's a waste of resources.

Bush's daughters didnt claim to have family values nor were they running for office. They are adults and can do as they please. Their actions are irrelavant to their fathers beleifs. Unless they choose to become political, their privacy should be respected.

AjaxPress · #72 (**permalink**) 07-21-2008

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Originally Posted by jviehe

Bush's daughters didnt claim to have family values nor were they running for office. They are adults and can do as they please. Their actions are irrelavant to their fathers beleifs. Unless they choose to become political, their privacy should be respected.

Bush does. He instilled those "family values" into his daughters and they turned out to be flippant drunken sluts. And their actions would have remained private if they hadn't decided to show Bush's "family values" to the public.

jviehe · #73 (**permalink**) 07-21-2008

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Originally Posted by AjaxPress

Bush does. He instilled those "family values" into his daughters and they turned out to be flippant drunken sluts. And their actions would have remained private if they hadn't decided to show Bush's "family values" to the public.

Now youre just being a dick.

AjaxPress · #74 (**permalink**) 07-21-2008

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Originally Posted by jviehe

Now youre just being a dick.

Perhaps, but I do grow weary of Republicans lecturing me on how I should live my life.

jviehe · #75 (**permalink**) 07-21-2008

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Originally Posted by AjaxPress

Perhaps, but I do grow weary of Republicans lecturing me on how I should live my life.

Then dont vote for them. But leave their familes out of it.

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