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Obama is Anti-Free Speech

Go to Obama's Youtube site and try to post a comment that is anything less than complimentary. Watch it disappear into the ether.

Is Barack Obama, and his supporters, so weak that they can't even handle a little bit of criticism?

What does this say for his philosophy on free speech?

How staunchly will Obama defend 1st Amendment rights if he won't even allow dissent on Youtube, or even a question on why he doesn't allow it?

YouTube - BarackObamadotcom's Channel
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Re: Obama is Anti-Free Speech

Presidential Candidate Barack Obama's website is privately controlled content, henceforth the propriator of said website has complete editorial control. You cannot logon to the website and blast Obama for his patriotism any more than someone can get on air at the Fox News Channel and describe McCain as completely out of touch. Free Speech to me means the rule of law, although it sounds like you think maybe we should have an executive order which forces the will of the populace onto the the rest of us!
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Presidential Candidate Barack Obama's website is privately controlled content
Read the post. I'm not talking about his website, I'm talking about Youtube.

The rest of your post is nonsensical.
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Re: Obama is Anti-Free Speech

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Go to Obama's Youtube site and try to post a comment that is anything less than complimentary. Watch it disappear into the ether.

Is Barack Obama, and his supporters, so weak that they can't even handle a little bit of criticism?

What does this say for his philosophy on free speech?

How staunchly will Obama defend 1st Amendment rights if he won't even allow dissent on Youtube, or even a question on why he doesn't allow it?

YouTube - BarackObamadotcom's Channel
If one of your guests starts calling your wife a whore and starts asking you to blow him, and you ask that guest to leave because of his comments, would you be anti-free speech? Free speech only extends to your own private property and a number of public locations. You have no inherent entitlement to be on anyone else's property, and can thus be asked to leave for any reason (including speaking your mind) or no reason at all.
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Re: Obama is Anti-Free Speech

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Read the post. I'm not talking about his website, I'm talking about Youtube.

The rest of your post is nonsensical.
The YouTube website is either controlled by YouTube (or their owners), Obama or another party. If it's YouTube or another party, then your comment is irrelevant. If it's Obama, then it's his property (or property he has rights to) and thus he can treat it anyway he likes. See above post.

As for Obama's supports, I'm led to believe that they are morons, whether or not they are responsible for this site.
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Re: Obama is Anti-Free Speech

People who post on YouTube are allowed to moderate comments. If you go the John McCain page, you'll notice that most of those people are licking his ass, too, with a few exceptions. I did see a few comments on Obama's that weren't enthusiastic either. But both sides seem to be aggressively filtering anything derogatory or troll-like.
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As for Obama's supports, I'm led to believe that they are morons, whether or not they are responsible for this site.


As for McCain's supporters, I'm led to believe that they are braindead, whether or not they are responsible for his site
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As for Obama's supports, I'm led to believe that they are morons...
What's wrong with his supports?

Are his suspenders multi-colored?

Are his garters stretched?
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What's wrong with his supports?

Are his suspenders multi-colored?

Are his garters stretched?
His suspenders are drowning from the weight of all that change in his pockets.
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Re: Obama is Anti-Free Speech

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Go to Obama's Youtube site and try to post a comment that is anything less than complimentary. Watch it disappear into the ether.

Is Barack Obama, and his supporters, so weak that they can't even handle a little bit of criticism?

What does this say for his philosophy on free speech?

How staunchly will Obama defend 1st Amendment rights if he won't even allow dissent on Youtube, or even a question on why he doesn't allow it?

YouTube - BarackObamadotcom's Channel



Based on the responses here and BHO's comments elsewhere its going to be a 'good for me but not for thee' situation. If the kid were any more insecure he would be institutionalized.
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As for McCain's supporters, I'm led to believe that they are braindead, whether or not they are responsible for his site
Agreed.
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What's wrong with his supports?

Are his suspenders multi-colored?

Are his garters stretched?
What's wrong is that your only redeeming quality here appears to be your uncanny ability to spot and report errors/typos.
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If one of your guests starts calling your wife a whore and starts asking you to blow him, and you ask that guest to leave because of his comments, would you be anti-free speech?
But this is not what I did. I merely asked why there were no negative posts.


After posting this on Politico.com, Slate.com and several other high visibility websites (this one included), the Obama campaign has apparently decided to allow my three posts. I can only assume to prove me wrong. I know that Obama has a 'Quick Reaction Force' to respond to criticism, but this is impressive.

I find it impossible to believe though, that Obama's campaign is comfortable with dissenting views. Since my original posting yesterday, there have been a couple of dissenting comments posted. Am I to believe that, until yesterday, no one else attempted to post dissenting comments on his Youtube page? This is Youtube, with millions and millions of page views every day, but I'm the first? That's beyond the bounds of credibility.
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Honestly it sounds like somebody needs something to do other than trying to play "gotcha" on youtube...
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But this is not what I did. I merely asked why there were no negative posts.
Judging by your questions (perhaps they are rhetorical questions?) in your OP, it is rather clear that you feel Obama's actions on his private property (or the actions of his supporters on their's) is directly indicative of his future actions regarding PUBLIC property and legislation. That simply does not follow, as I have shown with my rhetorical question above.
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After posting this on Politico.com, Slate.com and several other high visibility websites (this one included), the Obama campaign has apparently decided to allow my three posts. I can only assume to prove me wrong. I know that Obama has a 'Quick Reaction Force' to respond to criticism, but this is impressive.

I find it impossible to believe though, that Obama's campaign is comfortable with dissenting views.
They probably aren't, but distinctions need to be made between actions regarding private property and actions regarding public policy.
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Since my original posting yesterday, there have been a couple of dissenting comments posted. Am I to believe that, until yesterday, no one else attempted to post dissenting comments on his Youtube page? This is Youtube, with millions and millions of page views every day, but I'm the first? That's beyond the bounds of credibility.
Or maybe people are simply more likely to be interested in visiting the page of the candidate they support rather than that of the candidate they oppose.

There are only 56 comments for the video in question:

YouTube - Backstage with Barack: Stadium Trailer

It was added a mere three days ago, and here is a dissenting opinion, posted 3 days ago:

"Obama voted for FISA, an unconstitutional bill of GW Bush's that will allow the gov't to tap our phones legally."

So yes, there are dissenting comments, and they have been added (and likely are being added) since the posting of the video.
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