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Re: Citizen Obama Speaks
I would vote for Hillary Clinton before I vote for this douchebag, and I fuckin' hate Hillary Clinton...
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Clearly, you're incapable of answering the question. If Obama is as great a candidate as the libs in this country would like us to believe, explaining Obama's accomplishments should be pretty fucking easy to do. But, when asked, they dodge. Dodge, dodge, dodge. The fact of the matter is that libs are stupid enough to swallow Obama's "hope and change" bullshit, and they're prepared to put someone into the Oval Office who is woefully unqualified to be there. The verbal masturbation that libs post here about Obama addresses nothing of substance. Nothing. Butm hey, a lot of Germans show up to hear him speak; ain't that grand? It was a simple question, Goober, and you were a miserable failure when it came time to answer it. You've more than proven my point...
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Re: Citizen Obama Speaks
We already have a thread about the speech in Berlin:
Obama's speech in Berlin Perhaps we should merge the two of them.
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I don't know yet what this "archievements" talk is going to prove. If it's about archievements, why not vote for Warren Buffet. If it's about experience, go and find someone who is older than McCain and in politics. Wait, is there any? If at all, archievements only can be one part of the puzzle which leads us to the perfect candidate. I don't know of any great archievements by Barrack Obama, but I don't know any from John McCain, either. Maybe some pro-McCain person can educate me a little: Which of McCain's archievements outweigh the youth and freshness of a "newcomer" like Barrak Obama? (serious question)
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"I think that gay marriage should be allowed." - John McCain on an episode of Hardball, 2006, before the commercial break "I do not believe that gay marriage should be legal." - John McCain on the same episode of Hardball, after the commercial break "John McCain does not speak for the John McCain campaign." - Tucker Bounds, Spokesman of the John McCain presidential campaign. The straight talk express. You gotta love it. |
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We're still waiting for one of the libs here to tell us all about Obama's accomplishements; which they insist he has. They have, thus far, offered nothing...
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But: I also couldn't find anything in McCain's curriculum vitae which clearly outweighs Obama's youth and freshness. What I read about McCain is that he participated in some kind of campaign finance reform, and that he tried to ban torture in the US, which failed due to the man who now is his best friend: George W Bush. McCain might be an experienced politician, but there seems to be nothing outstanding about him. There are literally thousands of experienced politicians around the globe with a similiar political career as McCain, and we all know that most of them suck. While that sure doesn't make McCain a sucker, it isn't some stunning, convincing prove for his abilities as a leader, either. What remains is the question wether Barrack Obama ever advertised his candidacy with his archievements in politics. I cannot remember that, can someone else?
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"I think that gay marriage should be allowed." - John McCain on an episode of Hardball, 2006, before the commercial break "I do not believe that gay marriage should be legal." - John McCain on the same episode of Hardball, after the commercial break "John McCain does not speak for the John McCain campaign." - Tucker Bounds, Spokesman of the John McCain presidential campaign. The straight talk express. You gotta love it. |
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Re: Obama's speech in Berlin
Obama has displayed a lot of foreign policy knowledge whereas McCain has shown very little. What was McCain doing in those 25 years in Congress? Certainly not soaking up information...
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Is our children learning? -George W. Bush "I think—tide turning—see, as I remember—I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of—it's easy to see a tide turn—did I say those words?"—Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006 "[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004 |
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Obama has come a long way, without connections to prop him up and grease the way, and he's shown good judgment and leadership in running his campaign if nothing else. McCain has nearly bankrupted his campaign, is currently in violation of laws he helped write and has had to fire most of his top people because they were terrible appointments, that were never vetted. But keep thinking, you'll come up with something that McCain has done, and you'll even come up with a theory as to why a person who can't even run a political campaign can run a country. Meanwhile, you'll vote for McCain because you've been told to.
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Re: Citizen Obama Speaks
You would think he should be spending his time convincing Americans to vote for him, instead of Germans.
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Experience doing what exactly? Passing the hated finance reform legislation? For all the times he's visited Iraq he still doesn't know shit about the middle east. So he's proven he has a long history of displaying bad judgement, and you think that's a good thing?
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Is our children learning? -George W. Bush "I think—tide turning—see, as I remember—I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of—it's easy to see a tide turn—did I say those words?"—Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006 "[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004 |
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The second point, regarding visiting wounded soldiers seems more valid, if based in heavy appeal to emotion. Of course, at this very moment, probably neither McCain nor Obama is visiting wounded soldiers, helping build orphanages, or rescuing kittens trapped in trees, and they may be criticized for this, correctly if rather preposterously. The fact that Obama originally scheduled a visit to the soldiers and then canceled it is probably the source of the outburst of indignation and sentimental outrage, but the issue would be moot had he never scheduled a visit to the soldiers in the first place, which arguably (at least in the emotive context here) would have been worse. And, to be honest, I don't think there's anything invalid about not wanting a bunch of soldiers recovering from war injuries to be fodder for some campaign photo op. And, finally, demonstrating an ability to connect with the world is a way to appeal to moderates. It alienates only the bellicose, "fuck the world", elements of the GOP base, which wouldn't vote for Obama in the first place. Outside of that voting bloc, most Americans believe, rightly or wrongly, that Bush has caused an enormous credibility deficit for America in the world, and would probably like to correct that. Obama's move here is shrewd in that he's creating imagery of himself as competent in foreign policy without ever having achieved that competence as a statesman. The American attention span is short, and when McCain questions (probably validly) his foreign policy experience on the trail, independent voters will conjure up an image of Obama speaking to throngs in Germany.
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Re: Citizen Obama Speaks
I think that's precisely what he's doing.
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