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Re: Obama's speech in Berlin

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First, a speech, no matter how elequent it comes across, is just talk. At the end of the day he's still a junior senator with a radical "left wing" record to run on.

Second, how many of those "tens of thousands" that showed do you think were there to listen to Obama's speech or the free concert that followed thereafter? I don't like nor trust Obama, but should he be speaking before a free Van Halen concert, you bet your ass I'm gonna get there early to get good seats!

Finally, what it's say to you about Obama and his character when by your own mouth you say: "convinces me that Obama will make it, unless he hasn't some other skeletons in the closet or some freak-terror-attack levels an american city."?
"radical "left wing" record." could you please explain what has led you to this conclusion?

I'd love to see McCain's handlers try to orchestrate a speech for him with any inticements, asside from giving money away, and get a crowd even a tenth in size of Obama's Berlin speech. Not to mention the crowd would then have to suffer thirty minutes of an old man rambling and not pelt him with soft drinks and hot dogs?
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Re: Citizen Obama Speaks

I would vote for Hillary Clinton before I vote for this douchebag, and I fuckin' hate Hillary Clinton...
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What has McCain accomplished in a career that goes back to the beginning of time?
That's the classic dodge.

Clearly, you're incapable of answering the question. If Obama is as great a candidate as the libs in this country would like us to believe, explaining Obama's accomplishments should be pretty fucking easy to do.

But, when asked, they dodge. Dodge, dodge, dodge.

The fact of the matter is that libs are stupid enough to swallow Obama's "hope and change" bullshit, and they're prepared to put someone into the Oval Office who is woefully unqualified to be there.

The verbal masturbation that libs post here about Obama addresses nothing of substance. Nothing. Butm hey, a lot of Germans show up to hear him speak; ain't that grand?

It was a simple question, Goober, and you were a miserable failure when it came time to answer it.

You've more than proven my point...
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Re: Citizen Obama Speaks

We already have a thread about the speech in Berlin:

Obama's speech in Berlin

Perhaps we should merge the two of them.
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I don't know yet what this "archievements" talk is going to prove. If it's about archievements, why not vote for Warren Buffet. If it's about experience, go and find someone who is older than McCain and in politics. Wait, is there any? If at all, archievements only can be one part of the puzzle which leads us to the perfect candidate. I don't know of any great archievements by Barrack Obama, but I don't know any from John McCain, either. Maybe some pro-McCain person can educate me a little: Which of McCain's archievements outweigh the youth and freshness of a "newcomer" like Barrak Obama? (serious question)
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I don't know yet what this "archievements" talk is going to prove. If it's about archievements, why not vote for Warren Buffet. If it's about experience, go and find someone who is older than McCain and in politics. Wait, is there any? If at all, archievements only can be one part of the puzzle which leads us to the perfect candidate. I don't know of any great archievements by Barrack Obama, but I don't know any from John McCain, either. Maybe some pro-McCain person can educate me a little: Which of McCain's archievements outweigh the youth and freshness of a "newcomer" like Barrak Obama? (serious question)
Let's get these questions answered in the order they were asked.

We're still waiting for one of the libs here to tell us all about Obama's accomplishements; which they insist he has. They have, thus far, offered nothing...
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Let's get these questions answered in the order they were asked.

We're still waiting for one of the libs here to tell us all about Obama's accomplishements; which they insist he has. They have, thus far, offered nothing...
Well, I haven't heard of any accomplishments of Barrack Obama, either. I also would be surprised to hear of any, since he only is in business for three years.

But: I also couldn't find anything in McCain's curriculum vitae which clearly outweighs Obama's youth and freshness. What I read about McCain is that he participated in some kind of campaign finance reform, and that he tried to ban torture in the US, which failed due to the man who now is his best friend: George W Bush. McCain might be an experienced politician, but there seems to be nothing outstanding about him. There are literally thousands of experienced politicians around the globe with a similiar political career as McCain, and we all know that most of them suck. While that sure doesn't make McCain a sucker, it isn't some stunning, convincing prove for his abilities as a leader, either.

What remains is the question wether Barrack Obama ever advertised his candidacy with his archievements in politics. I cannot remember that, can someone else?
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And quite true.

Which is why it's absolutely fucking retarded for anyone to try to make the case that Obama has a wealth of foreign policy experience while McCain has little...
Obama has displayed a lot of foreign policy knowledge whereas McCain has shown very little. What was McCain doing in those 25 years in Congress? Certainly not soaking up information...
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I will give him this. Yes, he is bright, campaigned well and can give a good speech.

........But, those qualities are not enough to convince us that he will make a good President. He is lacking in depth, and political expedience, and flip-flops on just about every single issue.

So you see to us, he comes off as nothing but an opportunist.
I noticed that everything you said applies to McCain as well, yet you aren't bashing him. Are you prejudiced towards people who are bright and manage their campaigns well?
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That's the classic dodge.

Clearly, you're incapable of answering the question. If Obama is as great a candidate as the libs in this country would like us to believe, explaining Obama's accomplishments should be pretty fucking easy to do.

But, when asked, they dodge. Dodge, dodge, dodge.

The fact of the matter is that libs are stupid enough to swallow Obama's "hope and change" bullshit, and they're prepared to put someone into the Oval Office who is woefully unqualified to be there.

The verbal masturbation that libs post here about Obama addresses nothing of substance. Nothing. Butm hey, a lot of Germans show up to hear him speak; ain't that grand?

It was a simple question, Goober, and you were a miserable failure when it came time to answer it.

You've more than proven my point...
you can't think of anything that McCain has accomplished either.............

Obama has come a long way, without connections to prop him up and grease the way, and he's shown good judgment and leadership in running his campaign if nothing else.
McCain has nearly bankrupted his campaign, is currently in violation of laws he helped write and has had to fire most of his top people because they were terrible appointments, that were never vetted.

But keep thinking, you'll come up with something that McCain has done, and you'll even come up with a theory as to why a person who can't even run a political campaign can run a country.
Meanwhile, you'll vote for McCain because you've been told to.
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Well, I haven't heard of any accomplishments of Barrack Obama, either. I also would be surprised to hear of any, since he only is in business for three years.

But: I also couldn't find anything in McCain's curriculum vitae which clearly outweighs Obama's youth and freshness. What I read about McCain is that he participated in some kind of campaign finance reform, and that he tried to ban torture in the US, which failed due to the man who now is his best friend: George W Bush. McCain might be an experienced politician, but there seems to be nothing outstanding about him. There are literally thousands of experienced politicians around the globe with a similiar political career as McCain, and we all know that most of them suck. While that sure doesn't make McCain a sucker, it isn't some stunning, convincing prove for his abilities as a leader, either.

What remains is the question wether Barrack Obama ever advertised his candidacy with his archievements in politics. I cannot remember that, can someone else?
McCain has experience and proven judgment (good or bad). His resume for President far outshines Obama. Is chosing someone based on age and newness wise?
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You would think he should be spending his time convincing Americans to vote for him, instead of Germans.
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McCain has experience and proven judgment (good or bad). His resume for President far outshines Obama. Is chosing someone based on age and newness wise?
Experience doing what exactly? Passing the hated finance reform legislation? For all the times he's visited Iraq he still doesn't know shit about the middle east. So he's proven he has a long history of displaying bad judgement, and you think that's a good thing?
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Watched BO's speech in Germany yesterday. Now he introduces himself, not as a Presidential candidate of the U.S., not even as a citizen of the U.S., but a citizen of The World. So his campaign is now running for president of the world. He sees his abilities to stretch so far as to eliminate all racial, cultural and social divides. He claims to be able to tear down the "walls" between tribes, races, and religions, as well as the haves and have-nots (READ: redistribute the worlds' wealth). His assertion that all people of the world will have more demands placed upon them to save the world is socialistic and his statements regarding the environment are straight out of the playbook of the enviro-nazis.

Then.........the little shit doesn't even have the balls to visit the wounded soldiers that have fought to protect his rights to go around the world bashing his own country, claiming he didn't want to politicize the soldiers during his world campaign speech. Last I knew, they don't vote for President in Europe. He's pandering for global acceptance to prove to the American people that he can be accepted in the "world" community,thus being able to settle all disputes globally. There is a clinical term for this kind of behavior, but it escapes me at the moment.

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First off, the bolded appears to be a non sequitur. I would imagine that introducing himself as "citizen of the world" is a relatively common public speaking stalwart called finding common ground with your audience. I think the second bolded sentence (the non sequitur) is you looking for a reason to substantiate your pre-determined dislike of him when there is nothing particularly offensive to be found about speaking in Germany, on its face.

The second point, regarding visiting wounded soldiers seems more valid, if based in heavy appeal to emotion. Of course, at this very moment, probably neither McCain nor Obama is visiting wounded soldiers, helping build orphanages, or rescuing kittens trapped in trees, and they may be criticized for this, correctly if rather preposterously. The fact that Obama originally scheduled a visit to the soldiers and then canceled it is probably the source of the outburst of indignation and sentimental outrage, but the issue would be moot had he never scheduled a visit to the soldiers in the first place, which arguably (at least in the emotive context here) would have been worse. And, to be honest, I don't think there's anything invalid about not wanting a bunch of soldiers recovering from war injuries to be fodder for some campaign photo op.

And, finally, demonstrating an ability to connect with the world is a way to appeal to moderates. It alienates only the bellicose, "fuck the world", elements of the GOP base, which wouldn't vote for Obama in the first place. Outside of that voting bloc, most Americans believe, rightly or wrongly, that Bush has caused an enormous credibility deficit for America in the world, and would probably like to correct that. Obama's move here is shrewd in that he's creating imagery of himself as competent in foreign policy without ever having achieved that competence as a statesman. The American attention span is short, and when McCain questions (probably validly) his foreign policy experience on the trail, independent voters will conjure up an image of Obama speaking to throngs in Germany.
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You would think he should be spending his time convincing Americans to vote for him, instead of Germans.
I think that's precisely what he's doing.
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