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McCain has experience and proven judgment (good or bad). His resume for President far outshines Obama. Is chosing someone based on age and newness wise?
I guess when it comes to politics, it's just as wise as chosing someone just on experience and proven judgement. Both are clear pro's, but both alone cannot stand. Fresh, young people tend to make mistakes, old experienced people lack inspiration and idealism.
Barrack Obama made a mistake when judging the idea of the surge, John McCain does neither inspire, nor bear enough power to stand by his ideals: he abandoned his positions on torture in favour of votes from the republican base. That was wise, and it showed experience. But makes people wanna puke.
Both coins have two sides, but I prefer the younger one. I think what America needs is a renewal. An amnesty, a new beginning. The grass won't be greener and the stars won't be brighter, but as long as someone opens the window widely so that a breeze of fresh air comes in, people will say "It's been worth it."
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you can't think of anything that McCain has accomplished either
Finally, a lib who's able to admit, unequivocally, that Obama is unqualified for the job...

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Obama has come a long way, without connections to prop him up and grease the way, and he's shown good judgment and leadership in running his campaign if nothing else. McCain has nearly bankrupted his campaign, is currently in violation of laws he helped write and has had to fire most of his top people because they were terrible appointments, that were never vetted.

and you'll even come up with a theory as to why a person who can't even run a political campaign can run a country.
Ah, so now we learn the "Goober Criteria" for President: Run a solid campaign.

Man, your standards are, well, they're yours, I'll give you that...

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Meanwhile, you'll vote for McCain because you've been told to.
I'll vote for McCain because I believe he'll see to it that we're protected far more effectively than Obama. There are certainly things about the man's policies I don't like, but an Obama Presidency is going to a catastrophe for this country.

But, hey, he runs a good campaign so, fuck it, right?
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McCain has experience and proven judgment (good or bad). His resume for President far outshines Obama. Is chosing someone based on age and newness wise?
Experience doing what?
He lead his campaign into near bankruptcy, now he's violating campaign finance laws, and he's had to fire half his top people, because of glaring conflicts of interest that should have been flagged before they were hired.
Is this who you want leading the country?
He couldn't lead his way out of a paper bag.

Obama has lead an organization that has taken the politically unconnected, black son of a single mother and brought him to the steps of the White House knocking on the door in a about decade, that requires leadership, statesmanship and good strategic judgment.

Obama has accomplished more in a couple of years than McCain has accomplished in a nearly complete lifetime.
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Finally, a lib who's able to admit, unequivocally, that Obama is unqualified for the job...



Ah, so now we learn the "Goober Criteria" for President: Run a solid campaign.

Man, your standards are, well, they're yours, I'll give you that...



I'll vote for McCain because I believe he'll see to it that we're protected far more effectively than Obama. There are certainly things about the man's policies I don't like, but an Obama Presidency is going to a catastrophe for this country.

But, hey, he runs a good campaign so, fuck it, right?
OK, two men, two campaigns, one of which has been run much better than the other.
It's a point of comparison.

McCain says he'll do a better job of protecting the country, but when faced with making a decision about going to war, he made the wrong decision.
He's said that even if he knew that Saddam had no ties to terrorism, had no WMDs, he still would have opted for war. So he wasn't mislead into the war, he wanted the war, even if there was no reason to go to war.

He even accused Obama of "repeating George Bush's biggest mistake on Iraq, which was declaring victory too early".
He thinks that the "Mission Accomplished" speech was George Bush's "Biggest Mistake on Iraq", he still doesn't see that the war itself was a mistake. He still doesn't see that invading Iraq was the biggest mistake of the Iraq war.

He's still fighting the Vietnam war, he doesn't see getting into the war as a mistake, he sees getting out of the war as the mistake.

And that clearly and decisively disqualifies him from occupying the White House.
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I noticed that everything you said applies to McCain as well, yet you aren't bashing him. Are you prejudiced towards people who are bright and manage their campaigns well?

No, I am not prejudiced against smart people who manages their campaign well. I am just prejudiced against people who think that they can con us into believing that they are something when they are not.
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No, I am not prejudiced against smart people who manages their campaign well. I am just prejudiced against people who think that they can con us into believing that they are something when they are not.
So you're definetly not voting for McCain. Thanks.
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So McCain, who isn't all that bright, has run a less than stellar campaign, couldn't talk himself out of a paper bag, flip-flops on major issues more than John Kerry, and has profound problems with situational awareness, is your choice for President?

McCain's "experience" hasn't manifested itself to me. He has time, and time, again shown that he is so out of touch with the present day, I'm afraid he'll be trying to create treaties with countries that don't exist, and appointing dead people to his cabinet. For God's sake McCain needs handlers standing beside him, just in case poor ol' John goes off the reservation--Joe Lieberman: John McCain's conduit to reality.

Obama comes off as a politician? How is McCain any different in that regard? Next to none, I say. So we're left with two politicians/opportunists, on one hand a washed up politician who no longer supports their own hallmark legislation, who lost a Presidential nomination to a cheerleader, and left his crippled wife to become a gold digger; on the other hand we have a young, once married, accomplished scholar, and successful Jr. Senator, who has inspired millions around the world to be excited about his candidacy. Hmm ... tough choice.
Take the teleprompter away from Obama and he is just like the rest of us. Left struggling for words when giving a speech.

Speeches given with the aid of a teleprompter, hardly put one in the ranks of JFK and Ronald Reagan.
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So you're definetly not voting for McCain. Thanks.
To answer your question, I cannot wait for November 4th to vote for McCain.

Have a good day.
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Let's get these questions answered in the order they were asked.

We're still waiting for one of the libs here to tell us all about Obama's accomplishements; which they insist he has. They have, thus far, offered nothing...
I'm not a lib.. perhaps that's why you didn't notice that I offered a key piece of legislation that Obama wrote.... The Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act.

Here are the bills that Obama either authored or co-sponsored:


1. the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 (became law)

2. The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act (became law)

3. The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act (passed in the Senate)

4. The 2007 Government Ethics Bill (became law)

5. The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill


In an adiminstration that's gotten next to nothing actually done and within a very short timeframe, that's not a bad legislative resume. Now that you know, you can't claim ignorance, but I suppose you can still be in denial.
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Take the teleprompter away from Obama and he is just like the rest of us. Left struggling for words when giving a speech.

Speeches given with the aid of a teleprompter, hardly put one in the ranks of JFK and Ronald Reagan.
Not sure about JFK, but Reagan stumbled a lot without a teleprompter, too. He was legendary for that, in fact. What's more, unlike Obama, he didn't even write his own speeches. Obama isn't a terribly good extemporaneous and impromptu speaker, but the thoughts he's expressing and the words used are his own, which is quite unusual for politicians these days.

(And by the way, apropos of nothing but I'm quite a good extemporaneous speaker myself, so "like the rest of us" is incorrect.)

By the way, Sahara, it would be refreshing if you would share with us your real reasons for supporting McCain over Obama. This "lack of experience" nonsense is not credible and is frankly disingenuous. I have yet to find a single person who says he is against Obama because of that, or because of Rev. Wright or Bill Ayer, or any other excuse reason, that doesn't strongly disagree with some political position that Obama takes on some issue or other.

Do you believe in the Iraq war and want to "stay the course"?

Do you believe in the Bush conception of the "war on terror"?

Are you an ardent nationalist bothered by Obama's internationalism?

Are you a supply-sider who is bothered by Obama's plan to end the Bush tax cuts?

Do you think Obama is too strong on the environment?

Do you oppose Obama's stances on trade? On regulation of the economy? On labor?

All of these are valid reasons to oppose Obama, and one or more of them is, without a doubt, YOUR reason. Whereas his alleged lack of experience is merely an excuse.
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Experience doing what exactly? Passing the hated finance reform legislation? For all the times he's visited Iraq he still doesn't know shit about the middle east. So he's proven he has a long history of displaying bad judgement, and you think that's a good thing?
Decades in the military, then decades in congress. He would called an expert in military and congressional affairs in a court of law. The argument is a comparison of obama vs mccain on their resumes for President. YOu can judge whether his decisions were good or bad and vote accordingly, but Obama is a loser on experience. He reads a speech well. What else?
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OK, two men, two campaigns, one of which has been run much better than the other.
It's a point of comparison.

McCain says he'll do a better job of protecting the country, but when faced with making a decision about going to war, he made the wrong decision.
He's said that even if he knew that Saddam had no ties to terrorism, had no WMDs, he still would have opted for war. So he wasn't mislead into the war, he wanted the war, even if there was no reason to go to war.

He even accused Obama of "repeating George Bush's biggest mistake on Iraq, which was declaring victory too early".
He thinks that the "Mission Accomplished" speech was George Bush's "Biggest Mistake on Iraq", he still doesn't see that the war itself was a mistake. He still doesn't see that invading Iraq was the biggest mistake of the Iraq war.

He's still fighting the Vietnam war, he doesn't see getting into the war as a mistake, he sees getting out of the war as the mistake.

And that clearly and decisively disqualifies him from occupying the White House.
This is typical liberal bullshit.

You can go on and on for days about how the other guy shouldn't be elected, only because you're unable to go on for even a minute about the reasons why your guy should be elected.

Fucking pathetic.

I've asked you four times why Obama should be elected; what are his accomplishments, and all you've done is tell me how bad McCain is.

That doesn't even come close to answering the question...
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I'm not a lib.. perhaps that's why you didn't notice that I offered a key piece of legislation that Obama wrote.... The Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act.

Here are the bills that Obama either authored or co-sponsored:


1. the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 (became law)

2. The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act (became law)

3. The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act (passed in the Senate)

4. The 2007 Government Ethics Bill (became law)

5. The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill


In an adiminstration that's gotten next to nothing actually done and within a very short timeframe, that's not a bad legislative resume. Now that you know, you can't claim ignorance, but I suppose you can still be in denial.
Co-sponsored, really? THats the best you can do?
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I think that's precisely what he's doing.
WOuldnt it make more sense to talk to americans?
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