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Old 07-25-2008
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Re: Citizen Obama Speaks

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You "heard" it?

Where, Air America?

Sen. Barack Obama scrapped plans to visit wounded members of the armed forces in Germany as part of his overseas trip, a decision his campaign said was made because the Democratic presidential candidate thought it would be inappropriate on a campaign-funded journey.

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He wants to be the Commander In Chief. Visiting the troops would be, in no way, inappropriate. Besides, it sure the fuck didn't keep his douchebag ass out of Iraq.

But, as if to make everything okay for His Grand Doucheness, he does this:

From NBC's Jim Miklaszewski
Obama made phone calls to wounded soldiers at Landstuhl Germany this morning, in lieu of a personal visit to the forces that was canceled by the Obama campaign.


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The military didn't deny anything. Obama's own campaign team is saying they cancelled it.

But, facts never seem to matter much to libs, so keep burping up your bullshit if it makes you feel better...

No it was not Air America. As you know, they don't broadcast here in San Diego anymore.

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"As a matter of longstanding policy, DoD (Department of Defense) personnel acting in their official capacity may not engage in activities that associate DoD with any partisan political campaign or election candidate, cause or issue," the directive states.

Obama had hoped to meet with wounded soldiers at Landstuhl as he had in Baghdad, which he visited earlier in the week as part of a congressional delegation.

"We learned from the Pentagon last night that the visit would be viewed instead as a campaign event," said retired major general Scott Gration, an Obama adviser.

"Senator Obama did not want to have a trip to see our wounded warriors perceived as a campaign event when his visit was to show his appreciation for our troops and decided instead not to go," he said.
Apology accepted.
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Old 07-25-2008
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Re: Citizen Obama Speaks

This is really what I fear out of an Obama Presidency. Right now America pays out more tax-dollars to fight HIV in Africa than any other country. Africa has many many problems. Darfur is the hot spot now. But it wasn't that long ago it was the Huto's & Tutsie's commiting genocide, then we saw another genocide in the diamond fields.

I fear Obama will spend most of his time & our tax-dollars as U.S. President trying to straighten out Africa, while ignoring all the campaign promises he has made to Americans.

I really don't care if our President wins a world wide popularity contest. That's not his job. His job is to protect American interests here & abroad. He doesn't appear to understand that.
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Old 07-25-2008
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Re: Citizen Obama Speaks

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So McCain talk to Americans in the US. Obama goes to Germany. Anyone seeing any problems with this?
McCain and his campaign goated Obama into taking a trip to Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.. in the first place.

And now that Obama's going they're bitching about every aspect of it from the disproportinately small amount of news coverage they're getting, to downplaying the excitement of crowds, to claiming that McCain is speaking to Americans while Obama is speaking to those damn foreigners.

Are you seeing any problems with that?
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This is really what I fear out of an Obama Presidency.
There's certainly no reason to stop letting fear determine your vote, now.

It worked out really well with Bush.. so keep on trucking, my friend.
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Old 07-25-2008
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Re: Obama's speech in Berlin

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Sahara didn't mention race.
Oh I know but when a person says they won't vote for Obama for a certain set of reason and those are things that McCain is also guilty of I've noticed that there are usually unmentioned things involved.
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Old 07-25-2008
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A great speech is just that. A speech. And it does not equate to being a good President. He is still stuck with a razor thin resume. Back here in the US, we are aware of Obama's oratory skills. But 18 million voters saw through it. Most of those voters, including me, will carry that wisdom to the polls on election day.

Thank God that voters in Europe and the Middle East cannot vote. He will have to get elected first to impress them further.
Sure, but in America, voting is largely a popularity contest. That is, it's a lot (too much) about how well a candidate can deliver a speech. That's how morons like Bush win. It's unfortunate, but it is why I feel Obama, as much as I detest him as a politician, has a very good chance of becoming the next US President.
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Sure, but in America, voting is largely a popularity contest. That is, it's a lot (too much) about how well a candidate can deliver a speech. That's how morons like Bush win. It's unfortunate, but it is why I feel Obama, as much as I detest him as a politician, has a very good chance of becoming the next US President.

One thing, that I have learned about "hype", is that it has a short shelf life.
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Oh I know but when a person says they won't vote for Obama for a certain set of reason and those are things that McCain is also guilty of I've noticed that there are usually unmentioned things involved.
Sorry to burst your little bubble, but you have me pegged all wrong. In this case, you have absolutely no idea what you are speaking about.

Race has NEVER factored into my decision to vote for someone. I have given a laundry list of of the reasons why I will not vote for Obama. That list is still very much in effect.
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Steve, really love that new Avatar.
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Re: Obama's speech in Berlin

Let's cut through all the bullshit.
The election isn't about the details of any specific agenda item a candidate may have, because they almost never survive intact.
It's not about who answers the phone at 3 AM.

It's a time when us voters get to put our hands on the wheel of the great ship of state, and pull to the left or the right.

So I'm not voting for Obama, not because I think he's going to save the planet, I'm voting from him because this country needs a president who will sign progressive legislation. So I'm pulling left.
I'm not voting for him because of what he's done, I'm voting for him because of what he'll do.
And I reject McCain, because I think he would be a drag on the process that this country needs to go through to get back on track.
On the bright side, I don't think McCain is being honest with most of his conservative rhetoric, and that he would probably sign most of the same progressive legislation that Obama would sign (he'll call it being bi-partisan).
But I really don't want McCain to appoint anyone to the Supreme Court.
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Sure, but in America, voting is largely a popularity contest. That is, it's a lot (too much) about how well a candidate can deliver a speech. That's how morons like Bush win. It's unfortunate, but it is why I feel Obama, as much as I detest him as a politician, has a very good chance of becoming the next US President.
In what country is a free election not a popularity contest?
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Sahara didn't mention race.


Thanks Hafke.
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Sorry to burst your little bubble, but you have me pegged all wrong. In this case, you have absolutely no idea what you are speaking about.

Race has NEVER factored into my decision to vote for someone. I have given a laundry list of of the reasons why I will not vote for Obama. That list is still very much in effect.
I rearranged things a little for clarity...


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His supporting of campaign finance reform and later flip fllops on it.

Flip flops on NAFTA.
Do you have a problem with his stance or the idea that he flip-flopped?

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Supporting the FISA bill.
Which McCain also supports.
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His relationship with Bill Ayers.
McCain has a number of questionable relationships as well.

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His lack of military/governmental experience.
James Buchanon had perhaps the most extensive government experience and he turned out to be a disastrous president. He also had military experience to boot.
In fact if you check out this list you'll see that good and bad presidents run the gamut.

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His health care plan.
McCain has developed a healthcare plan as well.



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Yes, the way he lied about the Rev. Wright.
His wife hating this country.
These two are non-issues.
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Old 07-25-2008
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Re: Citizen Obama Speaks

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No it was not Air America. As you know, they don't broadcast here in San Diego anymore.

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Apology accepted.
Negative ghostrider, the military told him he could visit as a Senator or private citizen ( LIke he was claiming to be in Germany), not as a candidate for President. If you're gonna correct someone, add ALL the information.
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