Yes. How many attacks were prevented? And who are the terrorists who prefer Obama?

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A shit-load. Thanks to the NSA.

Hamas, for one, prefers Obama. One of his foreign advisors was having frequent comunications with Hamas....that is until it came to light.

Obama aide wants

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The GOP was incharge of national defence when 9/11 happened, hence it is their fault that Bin Laden got your nation pants down. The GOP failed to get Bin Laden for 7 and a half year, and Bush himself admitted that it's not top priority anymore.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/04/wa...IQ&oref=slogin

Pakistan: US Not Allowed To Search For Bin Laden

Media Matters - Barnes reported Bush acknowledgment that bin Laden "not a top priority," but ignored Bush's recent emphatic pledges to pursue bin Laden until captured

Bush is weak on terror. He neither has the interest nor the balls to go after Bin Laden. It's time for someone to get in charge who takes this hunt seriously.

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Yes? Do you have any examples? I would be surprised if it were more than three. For me, I only remember one.

So has Israel. And that's because Hamas is in charge of parts of a nation Israel wants peace with.

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Re-print:

Hamas, for one, prefers Obama. One of his foreign advisors was having frequent comunications with Hamas....that is until it came to light.

Obama aide wants

Barack Obama's Advisers

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dude you are funny thanks

Yes, it is really funny that those who claim beeing the toughest on terror are the weakest when it comes to hunting the world's powerful terrorist, isn't it. It's also funny that those who claim to be those who can defend America best are the ones who could not prevent the worst terrorist attack on US soil ever from happening
Dude, reality sucks, doesn't it So fucking funny.

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Guiliani is counting "the records in the public record", whatever that means. I've been checking both google and the homepage of homeland security, but I couldn't find any appropriate statistics (maybe someone else can). I don't know what Guiliani exactly counted, but I bet in the end his statistics will have the same consistency as the number of total detainees in Gitmo compared to those who sit there and are terrorists. We have seen all different kinds of "terrorist plots" and conspiracies, and people have been indefinetely arrested for filming paperbins. So I hope you can excuse that I remain reserved when some conservative politician pulls some numbers out of his ass.

When it comes to Hamas, I'm not surprised to see them clinging on Obama. He's the one who is more likely to bring peace and souvereignity to their people. Since also Israel negotiates with Hamas, and Hamas is in control of territory, I don't know yet how McCain is going to solve the conflict without talking to Hamas. But I'm pretty sure McCain isn't even interested in peace in the middle east, just like that girl from west Texas.

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well, lets see, I remember way back when, Nixon made the case that the nva were using Cambodia as a springboard and were by virtue of Cambodian sovereignty out of reach of American and arvn frces.....when he did decide to do something about it he was of course excoriated, ipso if as it appears Obama is making a case for going into Paki, ala Waziristan, that’s really no doff rent. That is where osama is no doubt, but can we make a case for invading Pakistan?

He appears to advocate such unequivocally.

Obama Vows to Hunt Down Terrorists
Associated Press | August 01, 2007
By Nedra Pickler

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said Wednesday that he would send troops into Pakistan to hunt down terrorists even without local permission if warranted - an attempt to show strength when his chief rival has described his foreign policy skills as naive.

The Illinois senator warned Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf that he must do more to shut down terrorist operations in his country and evict foreign fighters under an Obama presidency, or Pakistan will risk a U.S. troop invasion and losing hundreds of millions of dollars in U.S. military aid.


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I’d like to see this given airtime and what the reaction now would be to this platform. I suspect his adherents and here to fore sptters would be upset, so it’s a loser and I just don't see him actually doing so, in short another flip.

He would be "widening the war", and where have we herad that before; the same semantics they used against Nixon, even though he was right, ( and ot an extent Bush) and even though paki and Cambodia and the inherent differences in regime risks are higher and more dangerous to an extent I happen to agree we might have to do something about it. Giving them safe sanctuary to play hit and run from will keep us on the defensive in Afghan. until the situation in paki changes for the better.

And a final note, as the Sub Committee chairman on European and Nato affairs Obama, never held one, not one meeting addressing Afghanistan and had never been there till last week.....so now its precarious?

Well duh. It was precarious when we gave those sectors over to nato whom, the members from France Italy and Germany have held their troops on a very tight leach, not allowing them to enact operations meant to hunt down and disrupt insurgents activities that may result in casualties, in sort they are opt holding up their end.

Adding more troops, to those there who just do the same will not change a thing, did he in his trip overseas and conferences with sark and merkel put that fact to them and ask them to let their troops get out of their base and undertake these operations? Or juts shake hands and leave it at the door? I suspect the patter, how wants to upset the teacart right?

So as far as Bush failing etc. I agree he has to extent has, but Obama certainly didn’t help where he could, far from it, he consigned himself to a safe seat on the side lines, and has been in sniper mode.

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wow I have heard of spin but thats a new one, the gop had 7 1/2 years? uh huh.....and how many opportunities did the dems have in the 90's?

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So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


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So you admit that the GOP indeed hasn't been more successful in protecting the homeland. No, of course, you're not. Why do you say that the Dems aren't any better, then? It just proves my point, you know. I never said that in general, the Dems are better. What I said was that Bush is pussyfooting when it comes to catching Obama, and that the GOP is NOT defending so much better, as everybody claims. Allthough military spending exploded.

About your other response to my second post:

Attacking Pakistan at least would make sense in the context of the global war against terror. Leaving Bin Laden be and invading Iran, as McCain advocates, would just fuck up things even more and make fuel prices explode again.

Just want to note here that I consider invading Pakistan as a very, very stupid idea, and I don't think Obama plans to do it, either. I remember him saying that he considers sending troops into Pakistan looking for Bin Laden, which is not the same as an invasion.

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I don't think you know a thing about Hamas and what their goals are.

They aren't interested in peace.

They only want to kill Jews and kick them out of Israel.

Peace is the last thing they want. That's why every time a US President starts up peace talks bombs start going off in Israel.

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The reason why bombs go off in Israel is because it is upholding a oppressive occupation of the Palestinian territories. The reason why the Israelis are negotiating with the people who blow up their schoolbusses is because they are not retarted and know why these things happen.

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