Fair enough. I have not the time to compile such a comparative list. But be my guest if you want to draw the comparison.

I'm not sure what you're motivation would be...I'm already of the mind that McCain has a longer and perhaps more significant and more controversial legislative record than Obama.

I only started down this line of discussion after the claim that Obama had done next to nothing as a Senator. That, I believe to be false. I think for the amount of time he was there.... (which was functionally about 2 years before beginning this exceptionally early presidential campaign). He did a little more than your average Senator in his first 2 years. If Hillary's first 2 years are more impressive in some way, perhaps she's also an above average senator (if legislative productivity is the measure).

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Did I forget to mention American values? (didn't think it was necesary - silly me) - in this context, those founded in the Constitution, Or should we continue on this path of Dictatorial based war mongoring and global domination?


and it's not suprising to me that McCain would have us believe that he is the expert - when in fact he has admitted he is not.

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obama is still belives his decision not to visit the troops was right

geuss throngs of europeans sucking his ass is more important than the soldiers..........

Rakkasan, you know perfectly well that if he HAD visited the troops, you would have been all over his ass for using the suffering and sacrifice of wounded soldiers for a photo op. You know you would, don't bother to deny it.

He happens to agree with you about that, which is why he passed on the opportunity. His decision WAS right, and you would have been the first to tell him he was wrong if he'd chosen differently.

Daniels had a bigger crowd at Camp AJ than Obama had at Camp AJ. Read the sentence.

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I think he was too tired to visit the wounded. Whatever excuse they came up with doesn't erase the fact that the presumptive future Commander In Chief couldn't pull himself up and go visit the guys and gals that have been sacrificing for this country. This is a very, very, poor statement on what Obama really feels about our troops. The grief he would have gotten for visiting them will shrink in comparison to the lasting impressions he left when he passed on visiting them.

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"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste...." - Rahm Emmanuel

Horseshit, Mudwhistle. You, too, would have accused him of using wounded troops for a political photo op if he'd done it. (And rightly, too.)

You can't have it both ways.

no there was no photo op to be had and I am not linking his decision making process again as I have done so twice already, you might want to read it ...oh screw it here....Political Punch

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So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

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well lbs, his record as stipulated is not exactly even for a 2 year senator who had made the decision to run a remarkable one by any stretch inho. There really isn’t much but vanilla there, and unfortunately for him I do remember when he had had at least one chance to step out- ala the gang of 14, that is he agreed to join McCain then backed out when Reid tugged his leach. Not exactly a high water mark for bi partisanship.

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


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You don't know what I would have said.

The whole trip was a photo op. The fact that he chose not to visit our wounded really was telling.....photo op or not. If he really gave a damn about them he wouldn't have cared what I or anyone else would say about it.

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"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste...." - Rahm Emmanuel

I did read the sentence, you just said "the other day" in a thread about Obama's Berlin speech, kinda thought you might be on topic. Didn't know you weren't commenting on the actual topic at hand. It helps to stay on topic, to avoid confusiion.

Care to take a stab at how Obama is "clearly" against our troops? Or is it not so clear to you now?

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Obama's Margin of Victory

"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."

-Thomas Jefferson

Something that wasn't openly released was the fact that a reggae musician named Patrice and the rock group Reamonn played before Obama's speech. Who really knows what got all of those Germans to show up. Obama Live Ticker : 'America Has no Better Partner than Europe' - International - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News

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"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste...." - Rahm Emmanuel

Yes, I do. If it was derogatory towards Obama, you would have said it. Just as you're now playing "damned if you do/damned if you don't" with him. The difference is that what you would have said it he'd done that would have been true, whereas what you're saying now is bullshit.

Yeah, it tells that there are some things he won't stoop to doing for photo op purposes.

I have to agree on some level. If I were Obama, I would have been happy to visit our wounded with nothing more than the Secret Service. Visiting our wounded, regardless, would have been the appropriate thing to do. Obama made a big mistake not doing so, IMHO.

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Obama's Margin of Victory

"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."

-Thomas Jefferson

I guess visiting wounded troops is stooping pretty low for Obama.

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"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste...." - Rahm Emmanuel