[quote]Well, yes - of course it's anti-Americanism. That's quite basic. I have rarely heard anyone in any nation, from any political perspective, deny that it exists. It has nothing to do with what our "leaders" say.

I would agree with that.


Perhaps - but that does not adress the question of what will happen if the Beloved One does not have enough followers to be elected. I think it is likely he will be, with disastrous results for the economy, but what if he isn't?

Then the trendy hatred of Americans will simply return, full force. That is quite frightening. Hatred of Americans is the one politically correct hatred that exists in the world.

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[quote=Tim;1258277]A lot of people around the world think that Americans could brush up on their geography skills, but the hate is directed at the team in the White House, and not the country itself. Lopping the two together is a mistake.

look, they hated Reagan too, this is a social trend, it matters not the war etc. it if it wasn't war they be blithering on about something else.

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[quote=Jason Marcel;1258280]Exactly-most people hate Bush not the US in my experience. I think a lot of people get annoyed by Americans, especally a lot of American tourists (Who are by far the worst, from any nation) but they don't hate all Americans or the American nation. Indeed most people I know admire the principles America was founded on, and like a lot of the Americans you meet when they're actually living over here, but dislike Bush, your attitude to the world and your tourists immensly.

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Yes, I dont think he should have taken campaign staff or given political speeches, or canceled trips to see wounded soldiers because he couldnt bring the cameras.

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Already the bible tells us that wise men always think before they speak (Eclessiastes), though that admittetly usually is not perceived as openess. When he was in Berlin, he didn't leave out anything or "fawn" ( ), and he didn't try to hide or relativate Rev. Wright, either. He clearly pointed out that he did not support such thinking right from the beginning.

Jesse Jackson: Obama talking down to blacks | Reuters

People like Jackson think he's talking down to black people. Not exactly the reaction a radical black agenda usually triggers.

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You got your quotes mixed up - that is Jason you are quoting, not me.

Those comments about American tourists are insulting nonsense.

I lived in a small town in New England for many years that is a well-known tourist town, and I had a great deal of contact with tourists from all over the world - especially Europe. In the summer, the population of the town doubles.

Americans have no monopoly on obnoxious behavior. Some other nations are far worse. After living in an eighteenth century house in the middle of the town and having Australians (the loudest people on earth), English and French tourists look inside the windows while we were eating dinner and taking photographs in loud groups right next to our home, I don't want to hear whining and complaining about how terrible Americans are.

Tourists are needed. Many of them are very pleasant - but many are definitely not.

If you despise American tourists with such intensity, it is surely possible to make it very difficult for us to visit. The current anti-Americanism expressed in your remarks is the most obvious deterrent.

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To act in safety."

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Well he took care of a minority constituency pretty well....

All the taxpayers of Arizona were helping pay for all kinds of programs for the local indian tribes. Seems like someone of your demonstrated ideology might have a problem with that.

I'm not sure what you mean when you speak of Hillary above. The phrase "I bet you're on Hillary's" makes no sense to me.

The '90s excuse works less well for McCain thana it does for Obama entering during the Bush Administration. Obama's first stint as a senator was during a time of much more gridlock. the 109th congress was much more of a "do nothing" congress than the 101st.

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Yes, in 25 years that's what you or I would have done. However according to the knowledge or lack thereof displayed by McCain I assert that he wasn't doing those things.

In fact given McCain's incredible ignorance regarding even mundane issues I'd say that he probably was too busy cheating on his wife to do anything important. After all it took him nearly 13 years to get a campaign finance reform bill passed. Of course McCain never would have been able to get off the ground without the help of disgraced publisher Duke Tully, who was found to be creating fictitious military records.

McCain's opposition to the M.L.K. holiday is a saga all on its own. A tale of bigotry and hypocrisy on McCain's part.

In 1998 he proposed legislation that would increase taxes on the tobacco industry in addition to creating more federal beauracracy.

McCain has spent 25 years in politics doing things like trying to limit free speech, opposing federal holidays dedicated to M.L.K. jr. and affiliating himself with criminals. However he has not spent any of that time actually familiarizing himself with anything involving geopolitics.

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Back to Obama and Berlin, the topic of the thread.....

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To act in safety."

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Well, it sounds to me like the McCain camp made their own bed on this one.

Obama had planned to go to Iraq/Afganistan anyway...prior to McCain and his campaign calling on Obama to take the trip. But with the clammoring, it almost looked as if Obama was caving to McCain's demands and the McCain campaign could make political hay out of it. Now, of course, the trip ended up getting huge coverage and positive attention, so it looks to have worked out in Obama's favor.

This is a classic case of "Be careful watch you wish for".

A huge backfire for McCain and his strategists.

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Youre right. Obama should make his decisions based on what his opponent says. Lets elect that kind of President!

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If that's the spin that makes you feel good.....

But, Like I said...Obama had already planned to go before McCain brought it up. It wasn't the McCain camp's idea, but they decided that it would be advantageous to press Obama on it... and they were wrong.

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you misspelled Ecclesiastes but hey, god will smote you when hes not so busy, you're in the queue…. and since you got all biblical..

here you go…


Satirical Gospel of Obama as the Messiah and his pilgrimage to the far lands..

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So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
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[quote=WharfedaleTiger;1258460]yes, I have to agree, we as tourists by and large, are not uhm, conversant on nor always respectful of local tradition. That being said I have my own horror stories to of visitors from over there....the difference being this country is a melting pot and we mesh everything together, we don't read and look at how we act abroad. I have been guilty of it as well....we mean well….

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


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