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Re: Obama's speech in Berlin

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Which is complete bullshit, as I doubt there are too many American citizens that Germany would treat in this manner. If the Germans know they have a potential President in their midst, why doesn't he simply acknowledge that?

Instead, he comes across with some patronizing "not as a Presidential candidate" bullshit. If he wasn't a Presidential candidate, he wouldn't have been there.

What's funny is watching retarded libs lap this shit up as if it's their last meal...
I have several German friends - 0they treat me and other Americans as I treat them - just fine.

Not to mention the rather thunderous crowds of Germans that treated Obama with great welcoming enthusiasm.

The world has hope that America can be restored to the greatness that we achieved before the failures of the bush administration. Time to stop living in a box Steve. We are citizens of the world.
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You're fuckin' joking, right?

Obama was elected to the Senate in 2004, and was sworn in in January 2005. Only two short years later, he annouces he's running for the Presidency, and he's been, pretty much, campaigning non-stop since them.

What did he do in the Senate (as a junior Senator) in those two years, that makes him so fucking wonderful?



I applaud him for his fortitude and his sense of the need to better himself. Harvard? Columbia? That's major league, man. Law Professor? That's pretty sweet.

But it doesn't mean he should be President...
The fact that he has put together a campaign that has secured him the nomination, has him in the lead, and is already well known on the world stage, should tell you one thing, the guy knows how to get something done.

OK, you can say that Bush came out of nowhere too, but Bush had connections, that got him into Yale and Harvard and into the TANG , kept him out of the court system, and set him up financially, and he had Karl Rove to organize and direct his campaign.

Obama has done it on his own brain power, his chief speech writer is 26 years old, can you even name his campaign manager?
The Obama campaign for all the passion and excitement that it's generated is kind of out of the limelight, exactly the way you want a campaign organization to function. Compare this to John McCain, whose campaign has gone broke, violated federal law, and had most of the top guys fired for conflicts of interest.
Clearly someone is demonstrating a talent for putting together a successful organization, and making good decisions, and someone else isn't.
At first I thought this might be beginners luck, but it just goes on and on and on, leading me to believe it's something called good leadership.
Do you think a president should be a good organizer, a strategic thinker and a good decision maker?

Because that is part of Obama's short resume.

And it's nowhere to be found on John McCain's.
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I'd like to equaate being a senator forr three years and playing guitar for three years..........even if you're gifted, you can't hang with the pros yet.

You got it - greatness is a born quality. As mush as the Elitists would like you to believe otherwise, they would be great leaders if they could only buy intelligence rather then achieve greatness through Ivy league association and nepotism.
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You can appreciate what Obama has done, and whether or not he should be the next POTUS is debateable. Just don't refer to him as self made or unique. He's a middle class lawyer, academic and politician. He's the exact same as most of the political classes and the self styled elites. There seems to be a large number of people who see his race (a marginal factor, at most) as something which makes him unique and means he will be different.
How is he "NOT" self made? Which one of his parents went to Harvard so that he could get the benefits of Legacy? Which one of his parents had political clout? Which one of his parents had a family business that Obama inherited? What aspect of Obama's lifes was "made" for him?



How is he an "academic"? Is it because he uses the occasional big word?
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The fact that he has put together a campaign that has secured him the nomination, has him in the lead, and is already well known on the world stage, should tell you one thing, the guy knows how to get something done.

OK, you can say that Bush came out of nowhere too, but Bush had connections, that got him into Yale and Harvard and into the TANG , kept him out of the court system, and set him up financially, and he had Karl Rove to organize and direct his campaign.

Obama has done it on his own brain power, his chief speech writer is 26 years old, can you even name his campaign manager?
The Obama campaign for all the passion and excitement that it's generated is kind of out of the limelight, exactly the way you want a campaign organization to function. Compare this to John McCain, whose campaign has gone broke, violated federal law, and had most of the top guys fired for conflicts of interest.
Clearly someone is demonstrating a talent for putting together a successful organization, and making good decisions, and someone else isn't.
At first I thought this might be beginners luck, but it just goes on and on and on, leading me to believe it's something called good leadership.
Do you think a president should be a good organizer, a strategic thinker and a good decision maker?

Because that is part of Obama's short resume.

And it's nowhere to be found on John McCain's.
Um, if you're having problems paying attention, just say so.

This is what I was responding to:

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The degree with which he departs from the everyman is based upon his acomplishments in education, as an author, and now as a senator.
I was a "good organizer" when I was 12.

What accomplishments are there?
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I have several German friends - 0they treat me and other Americans as I treat them - just fine.

Not to mention the rather thunderous crowds of Germans that treated Obama with great welcoming enthusiasm.

The world has hope that America can be restored to the greatness that we achieved before the failures of the bush administration. Time to stop living in a box Steve. We are citizens of the world.
You often miss the point.

Obama said he wasn't there as a Presidential candidate.

That's complete and utter bullshit...
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Hmmm .... I wonder what the requirement is?
  • Columbia University and Harvard Law School
  • community organizer and civil rights attorney
  • law professor at University of Chicago Law School
  • Illinois state Senator
  • U.S. Senator
  • first African American to be a major party's nominee for President of the United States

... that's not such a bad cv .... imho.
Not impressed.

Hillary's resume superseded that. And she lost the nomination. Quite a few Senators are also lawyers. So his law degree is not out of the ordinary.

In the end, it is what you bring to the Presidential table, after all of those experiences. Obama brings a half-empty plate, which is equivalent to little job experience.
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Thank God that the Germans did not let Obama used the Brandenburg Gate. That was Obama's intent. To show that he can walk where "real" President trod.

Can you just imagine the overblown ego that would have resulted from that?
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Re: Obama's speech in Berlin

What a speech? My question is Why a Speech? Why was it made? I have no idea. He is a junior US Senator, nothing more just yet, what possible reason could be had for giving a speech in front of the German people? he's not President yet, he's not even the official Democratic nominee, he's the presumptive nominee.
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What a speech? My question is Why a Speech? Why was it made? I have no idea. He is a junior US Senator, nothing more just yet, what possible reason could be had for giving a speech in front of the German people? he's not President yet, he's not even the official Democratic nominee, he's the presumptive nominee.

I do not think that anyone bothered telling him. Either that, or he is in total denial.
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What a speech? My question is Why a Speech? Why was it made? I have no idea. He is a junior US Senator, nothing more just yet, what possible reason could be had for giving a speech in front of the German people? he's not President yet, he's not even the official Democratic nominee, he's the presumptive nominee.
He's a brilliant strategic thinker, this gives him the video for his ads later on in the campaign, when Old McNasty starts whining about how Obama has no foreign policy experience, he rolls this out, showing the world loves him, and the Prime Minister of Iraq agrees with him,(and thinks McCain is completely out of touch with the Iraq situation BTW), and that he has met and discussed the serious issues with the foreign leaders.

Meantime, just for contrast, what did McCain do today?
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He's a brilliant strategic thinker
Um, what? show me some examples of his "brilliant strategic thinking" if you can.


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this gives him the video for his ads later on
So you admit it was a cheap political stunt?
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I don't understand the situation we are in? Really? I have only been on the front lines of this 'situation' we are in.
Really now?

Do you really honestly think that that automatically gives you a better understanding?
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So you admit it was a cheap political stunt?
Obvs?
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Obama is such a tool

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BERLIN (AP) - Sen. Barack Obama scrapped plans to visit wounded members of the armed forces in Germany as part of his overseas trip, a decision his spokesman said was made because the Democratic presidential candidate thought it would be inappropriate on a campaign-funded journey.
so it's ok to give a photo op speech to foreigners, but "inappropriate" to visit your own country's wounded soldiers? Wow.
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He's a brilliant strategic thinker, this gives him the video for his ads later on in the campaign, when Old McNasty starts whining about how Obama has no foreign policy experience, he rolls this out, showing the world loves him, and the Prime Minister of Iraq agrees with him,(and thinks McCain is completely out of touch with the Iraq situation BTW), and that he has met and discussed the serious issues with the foreign leaders.

Meantime, just for contrast, what did McCain do today?
So what if the world loves him.

That doesn't magically give him foreign policy experience...
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