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Obama's speech in Berlin

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Honestly, even if McCain makes it in the end, I doubt he will ever have the opportunity to deliver such a speech, under such circumstances, in such a convincing manner.

It appears that many (maybe most) people even didn't get on the place at the Siegessaeule, for security measures took quiete some time. Nevertheless, tens of thousands were there. Not few of of them US citizens, some people from Australia, or from other European countries. I have seen some of John McCain's performances as a speaker, and I have to say that I think he s*cks when he's delivering speeches.

Oh god, I just hope Obama makes it. I had doubts about Kerry right from the start, but what I just have seen in TV convinces me that Obama will make it, unless he hasn't some other skeletons in the closet or some freak-terror-attack levels an american city.
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Europe can have him if they like him so much. This guy has me very, very worried for America's future.
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A great speech is just that. A speech. And it does not equate to being a good President. He is still stuck with a razor thin resume. Back here in the US, we are aware of Obama's oratory skills. But 18 million voters saw through it. Most of those voters, including me, will carry that wisdom to the polls on election day.

Thank God that voters in Europe and the Middle East cannot vote. He will have to get elected first to impress them further.
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A great speech is just that. A speech. And it does not equate to being a good President. His is still stuck with a razor thin resume. Back here in the US, we are aware of Obama's oratory skills. But 18 million voters saw through it. Most of those voters, including me, will carry that wisdom to the polls on election day.

Thank God that voters in Europe and the Middle East cannot vote.
Agreed. Once again we see a speech from Obama heavy on wordage but lacking any real substance.
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Agreed. Once again we see a speech from Obama heavy on wordage but lacking any real substance.
Agreed, he just a delivered a speech without getting into details, not that anyone could have expected anything else (especially during election times).
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Karl Rove has got to be shitting himself today.
This is exactly the kind of thing he would be having his candidate do, if his candidate could pull it off.
And Obama did it right again, he could have spoken a couple of phrases in German, but that would have been too much, he hit it just right with his speech, and he now has some really great images in the can. Speaking German would have been a "Dukakis in the tank moment", as it would have forced the comparison to Kennedy and Reagan with too heavy a hand.
These images will dominate the news for a few cycles, effectively shutting McCain out of the public arena, and since McCain has nothing scheduled this week, I think he loses this weeks contest and drops a few more points.
Why isn't McCain addressing a big crowd somewhere, to at least provide some counter to this, is he just laying down?
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Agreed. Once again we see a speech from Obama heavy on wordage but lacking any real substance.


he's fine when he is reading what was written for him.
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Agreed, he just a delivered a speech without getting into details, not that anyone could have expected anything else (especially during election times).
True. Still, the sheep eat it right up.
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Agreed. Once again we see a speech from Obama heavy on wordage but lacking any real substance.
In fairness, you have to recognize that this speech had to be tempered with as little outward campaigning as possible in order to maintain a level of appropriateness.

Obama set that tone in the first few words of the speech when he said something like....I come here not as a presidential candidate, but as an American citizen and a fellow world citizen.

The trip's focus is to help people imagine that he can perform presidential functions, not to explain the details of his policies.
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The trip's focus is to help people imagine that he can perform presidential functions, not to explain the details of his policies.
Then all he did was prove he will handle foreign relations with as much hollowness as he does domestic issues. Bra-fucking-vo
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Then all he did was prove he will handle foreign relations with as much hollowness as he does domestic issues. Bra-fucking-vo
Hollowness?
McCain could have an OP-ED piece in the NYT, except he doesn't have a plan for Iraq (his big issue) that he can articulate, all he can do is criticize Obama's plan.
Meanwhile, the Iraqi PM, endorses Obama's plan as being very realistic.

US politics isn't issue and detail driven, if it were, there would be more Democrats in office. US politics is largely image based, something that the GOP has used to it's great advantage over the last decade.
Which is why the choice of John McCain as the nominee surprised me, I thought Romney would be a guy they could run with, McCain just doesn't appear to have the skills that a GOP candidate needs to succeed in the general election, and if he does have those skills, what is he waiting for?
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No need to point out those points about McCain to me goober. You are preaching to the choir there. McCain is just as hollow as Obama.

Oh, and for the record, I believe if US politics was issue and detail driven we would infact see less Dems in office. As an added bonus, people would probably also stop mislabeling them as liberals.
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This guy has me very, very worried for America's future.
I don't know. When it comes to foreign policy, Obama could be a gift from heaven for the United States. His popularity alone is a huge asset and could be used very efficiently to repair America's damaged reputation around the world and rally international support to address the mayor problems we face. We all know that Bush has done a terrible job in that regard. And I doubt tha McCain is the better man to mend the fences and lead the way.

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Obama set that tone in the first few words of the speech when he said something like....I come here not as a presidential candidate, but as an American citizen and a fellow world citizen.
Which is complete bullshit, as I doubt there are too many American citizens that Germany would treat in this manner. If the Germans know they have a potential President in their midst, why doesn't he simply acknowledge that?

Instead, he comes across with some patronizing "not as a Presidential candidate" bullshit. If he wasn't a Presidential candidate, he wouldn't have been there.

What's funny is watching retarded libs lap this shit up as if it's their last meal...
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Oh, and for the record, I believe if US politics was issue and detail driven we would infact see less Dems in office.
Ha! Which is why the vast majority of American's believe offshore drilling will bring down oil prices in the short term. Republicans win based on an uneducated and distracted electorate. But back on the topic at hand.

Multilateralism is a good thing and the Bush Administration's complete abandonment of the principles of international cooperation, relations and law are all bad for the U.S. Not only do people avoid buying our products even more, we have no authority when trying to critic fascist and authoritarian governments. Americans need to recognize that globalization is here and we need to get over ourselves.
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